Master Hunters VOICE LOUD AND CLEAR!!!

[jager]

I don't question what they've done to earn that title, honestly,good for you.  But, I can see several hunts... that were quality hunts, where someone with a loud voice representing them stole it from the general public.  ie: Peshastin Archery bull permits. 

It now is a Master Hunters hunt listed as a damage control hunt with only 6 permits instead of the usual 15 given to archery hunters AND THEY GET TO USE ANY FRICKING WEAPON FOR A ABOUT 5 MONTHS, INCLUDING THE RUT!!!!!!!!  There goes the entire mature bull population for that hunt!!!

         

                               

Damage control=big bull hunt   

[RyanD]

The whole MH program bothers me.  I don't take anything away from the individuals who have gone through the program and I think the program could be used for good if done correctly.  This program should be for damage control on an as need basis.  Take the toledo elk area for example, Aug 1-31, 10 hunters a week-any elk any weapon and Weyco gives access to drive around and harvest these elk.  How hard is it to kill a bull with a rifle in Aug?  This is also a second elk tag!  Then there is antlerless or spike hunt in the same Elk area in Dec. where they get to drive around and harvest these elk.  These areas are walk in areas for the "avg. joe" hunter.

[bbarnes]

If the land owner want"s the wildlife off there property number 1 DON'T BUILD WHERE THE WILDLIFE LIVE'S.Number 2 give a person who ask permission a chance to hunt the property.Number 3 with the money the WDFW pays out to these land owners, it would be cheaper to pay for a fence and build it to keep the animals out.Finally number 4 if the program taught ethics, these M H wouldn't be hunting these animals at this time of year because it's not fair chase.Get a clue people hunting is now a Hobie not a way of life, or to say guess what i shot three elk and deer this year.
 

[bornforhorns]

Honestly, I thought I would get back on this thread and find some sort of resistance...to my disbelief not only someone but a lot of you agree and bring up great points.  The part about not having to use points for getting drawn on the Moose ( I think huntnphool said it?) garners my first ever emotion icon.

[billythekidrock]

If the land owner want"s the wildlife off there property number 1 DON'T BUILD WHERE THE WILDLIFE LIVE'S.Number 2 give a person who ask permission a chance to hunt the property.Number 3 with the money the WDFW pays out to these land owners, it would be cheaper to pay for a fence and build it to keep the animals out.Finally number 4 if the program taught ethics, these M H wouldn't be hunting these animals at this time of year because it's not fair chase.Get a clue people hunting is now a Hobie not a way of life, or to say guess what i shot three elk and deer this year.
 

You are not getting the point. It has nothing to do with fair chase in most cases. It is about wildlife management and the MH is nothing but another way to handle nuisance wildlife.

[Skyvalhunter]

Nothing but? Your very wrong there!!

[bbarnes]

Let's talk some reality here for instance Weyco wants wildlife off there property.If they were forced by the lawmakers to create habitat and meadow areas for these animals,and quit spraying down the land with chemicals comparable to ajent orange they wouldn't need control hunts.The timber owners need to realize that resource is becoming worthless,times have changed. We in the construction trades are using different building methods and materials.What damage are the animals causing who was there first and who lost controll of the recourse in the first place.Where else in the U S A do they have this type of M H program anywhere? Does this program take into consideration people of lesser intelligence handicapped or hearing impaired.The WDFW mission statement says ensure effective use of current and future financial resources in order to meet the needs of the state's fish and wildlife resource for
the benefit of the public.How is the M H program benefiting the public because the public is all off us not 1280 out of 277,000 hunters in this state.Ive also heard rumors that the deer and elk in the state of washington,will be opening a casino soon because they are loosing there land just like the Indians. :stirthepot:Does this get closer to the point,do M H have a have more rights to Federal land than other tax payers.B Barnes keeping the public land public.

[billythekidrock]

Nothing but? Your very wrong there!!

Ok, The MH program is just another tool in managing wildlife.
Either way the end result is the same. Those that do the program get to apply.

[bbarnes]

Billy the point I'm trying to make here is it discriminates against all of us sportsman.
Everyone isn't eligible for this program,and myself i promote equal opportunity.The WDFW will sell hunting licences to felons, but they cant be a part of this.WE all pay taxes but we all cant hunt the same places,to me this is turning into some private     
hunting ranch.I don't think that hunters as a hole support this. :bdid:WE as outdoor
people should promote all of the ethics and rules,and educate each other.Its Hard to support this program, when the state tax payers own the animals.Myself and my group have spent thousands of dollars,giving out t shirts ,stickers putting floats in parades
and putting on tours for law makers to show the problems in the state, and to raise awareness of the problems were facing.B Barnes keeping the public lands public and the wildlife.

[Skyvalhunter]

They also do alot of volunteer work that probably wouldn't get done. Surveys, hunter education, trash pickup so its not all about just MH hunts.

[Little Dave]

The program is a big commitment and it is not for everyone.

On the positive side, having this program as a resource, the department does have some leverage when negotiating wildlife management opportunities in communities like ... let's say Seattle... too many deer in Ravenna Park or something like that.  They will be able to say that this guy they bring in has read the whole law and will abide by that, can reliably hit his target from where he will be situated, and he's not a felon.

So a few guys need to be avalilable to meet criteria like that.  I suppose if this was the only incentive, hunting in Seattle parks, the program would have maybe 6 or 7 participants.

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[Little Dave]

   I take that to mean you disagree.

Describe an arrangement that will work better.

[Sneaky]

Just curious, what do master hunters do to earn their title? how do they earn the rights to those hunts?

[bbarnes]

Your still not addressing the discrimination of the program against 277.000 hunters.Hunting Federal land that everyone should be able to hunt.Also isn't picking up the woods every outdoorsmans responsibility.This is nothing but a free labor pool for the state to have the M H Volunteering, while they the WDFW do nothing and get paid with benefits from our tax dollars.Last but not least when in the woods hunting you had better know the rules and regs or prepare to have the book thrown at you.
B Barnes keeping the public lands public.