Master Hunters VOICE LOUD AND CLEAR!!!

[WOODS]

Read the regulations, the days for master hunters and "special hunting"  are in the thousands, if you combine all of the areas. The one area that I'm pissed about is Deer permit area 6020 open to archery Master hunters all of January 2010. I own many acres in this area and will not be able to hunt legally on my own land unless I take a class? . The first time in over 30 years. 
The master hunters are helping with this control and are being  indoctrinated to believe that they need to help with conservation. The agenda for the liberals is preservation and elimination of hunting. The propaganda train is in full steam. Socialism is on its way in. Guess I wont be buying deer tags this year in Washington. As for hunting....... 

[furbearer365]

hey luvtohnt, i bet the reason you want to know what hunt that I was talking about is because you want to put in for it.  like i said, if all MH feel like they deserve the rights the fish and game give them, then go ahead and proudly put in for you tags.  Like all of us that are against it are saying, don't be a part of something and definately don't argue with it when you don't know the in's and out's of each and every aspect of what the program is doing.  DO SOME ACTUAL RESEARCH AND YOU WILL BE AMAZED AT WHAT YOU WILL FIND.  I will amit that i don't know what all good this program brings, but the reason i don't is because of all of the negative.  I don't feel that giving the fish and game that much reconition is what i want to do.  Like i said before, in a situation like this, if feel that the old saying, "take the good with the bad" should not aply but the WDFW should not enact bad to get a little good.

[agchawk]

"...don't be a part of something and definately don't argue with it when you don't know the in's and out's of each and every aspect of what the program is doing.  DO SOME ACTUAL RESEARCH AND YOU WILL BE AMAZED AT WHAT YOU WILL FIND.  I will amit that i don't know what all good this program brings, but the reason i don't is because of all of the negative."

I really don't have a lot that hasn't already been voiced in this thread. However, I had to point out the above comment. Really, you can't rail a guy for commenting on a program that he may/may not know all the "ins and outs" about and then turn around and ADMIT that you are doing exactly that. I think if you follow your own advice that you so freely throw out to others and "do some actual research" on the good aspects of the program you may also be amazed at what you might find.

Again, I have my thoughts on the program and have friends on both sides of the fence. Myself....I'm not entirely sure which way I want to go with it at this point. I just don't like seeing folks get slammed for voicing their opinions and then getting jumped by folks that are admittedly no more informed on the subject than the first guy. Problems are NEVER solved this way...they just continue to fester, cause animosity, and eventually nothing changes.

[colockumelk]

If the land owner want"s the wildlife off there property number 1 DON'T BUILD WHERE THE WILDLIFE LIVE'S.Number 2 give a person who ask permission a chance to hunt the property.Number 3 with the money the WDFW pays out to these land owners, it would be cheaper to pay for a fence and build it to keep the animals out.Finally number 4 if the program taught ethics, these M H wouldn't be hunting these animals at this time of year because it's not fair chase.Get a clue people hunting is now a Hobie not a way of life, or to say guess what i shot three elk and deer this year.
 

 

The WDFW pays out $20,000 a year to the hay farmers in Kittitas County for "elk damages" yet I see cattle wintering in the hay fields.  How do elk hurt the hay yet the cattle do not.  No one has yet to explain this to me.  Also in the Colockum there are not any elk fences like you see every where else.  So of course the elk are going to eat hay.  Exactly like b.barnes said.  Hey farmers how about you build a fence.  What a novel concept huh.  I must be a genius.  Or how about instead of the WDFW giving them money why don't they take that money and BUILD A FENCE.  Wow what a novel concept I must be a double genius. 

Also someone explain to me how the MH program furthers the image of normal hunters through their "ethics" when they kill alot of elk on a four wheeler in a hay field.  Now if a non-hunter saw that what sort of opinion would they instantly form about hunters when they see guys shooting them in a hay field?

I also love how it's for "damage control" yet the MH area 3911 goes way past the hay fields and up into the sage brush.  Also if there is so many elk problems in the Colockum how come they don't give out any cow permits for the Colockum?  Yet the MH guys can shoot two cows a year.  It's all BS and yes there is an agenda. If it really is to control damage then why let the MH guys who can walk up in the hills and chase elk like the rest of us shoot the elk in the hay fields.  Let the disabled guys do that.  Let the guys who can't walk etc go into the hay fields and shoot a cow.   If the MH guys are so masterfull then they should easily be able to get one in the high country. 

If the MH really is for conservation and damage control then why don't they build a fence.  Seems to me that the MH are just a band-aid. 

[KillzElk]

Who types this S.UP  Is this for real?   

Individuals who successfully complete the Master Hunter program receive a patch as recognition of their accomplishments. A personalized Master Hunter card with the person's name Dick Tracy, Master Hunter number 007, issue date, and renewal date will also be provided. Master Hunters are eligible to participate in special hunts aimed at reducing property damage and/or public safety problems posed by wildlife. Made up story.  Special hunt opportunities and rules change & vary from year to year for more $$$ , and may include dog, cat,goose,fish,beaver,lion,zebra,bigfoot, elk, deer and turkey hunts in designated areas throughout Washington your back yard.

The Master Hunter program is an advanced hunter education program designed to help hunters increase their knowledge of the sport, and particularly help them understand the concerns of private landowners.

We believe that it will have a significant effect on improving hunter/ landowner relations and that, over time, it will make a major contribution to improving the public image of the hunter. In addition, graduates will have achieved a qualification that they can be proud of and which we hope will open up new hunting opportunities to them.

The program is open to all hunters, but hunters who plan to hunt in the hunts listed below must complete the program before they hunt. In these areas, the Department is working with private landowners to provide hunting access for Master Hunters on lands that are otherwise closed to the public but make a special VIP card for ALL ACCESS. On anybodies private land they want .. BULLSH.T   These hunts are not necessarily "easy" hunts  Now Killing a animal is hard GUN BULLET  DEAD , but they are hunts where ethical hunter behavior is critical to their continuance. It is possible that in future years, the program will be expanded to cover other hunts in sensitive areas. These are wild animals that have been hunted for many years... It just makes me LOL to see that this subject has raised some att...

Enough said Special Ed and his VIP ALL ACCESS Tag are coming over we have a serious Kill that needs to be done by a Master Hunter 

[rasbo]

the handicap idea is awesome.if you get a tag,heres the rules..Follow them.No badge needed..after all dont we all follow a strict set of guide lines anyway I will just continue to pick up trash,be ethical in my ways.the more I read the more I think it should go to handicapable persons.maybe they should have the master hunters accompany them and assist them,I would,it would be an honor.I dont need no stinking badge

[KillBilly]

Or, everyone who is complaining about this get off their dead butts, do the service , pass the test and we'll all be Master Hunters. If you won't or can't do it then you have nothing to complain about. You have equal opportunity to take and pass the course, I think equal opportunity is what you are wanting isn't it.
What I hear going on here appears to be based on Jealousy..... Hunting has no place for jealousy, it is not part of the activity. You are always going to find someone that you think has it easier than you.

I am a Master Hunter and have been one since they started the program.

You need to quit whining and become one also. Then tell us about the Special hunts you get and the trophys you kill and how you get to shoot from a quad in a field...

You make me Ill... ignorance must actually be BLISS.

[billythekidrock]

Just wait until we make it MH only in the Colockum and  MH only for bear hunting in August.

[rasbo]

Just wait until we make it MH only in the Colockum and  MH only for bear hunting in August.

Im thinking thats the direction its headed,sad state of affairs..pitting hunter against hunter

[KillBilly]

Razbo, it won't be hunter against hunter if all hunters are MH.

[rasbo]

Razbo, it won't be hunter against hunter if all hunters are MH.

okay so 277,00 hunters become master hunters..well then we will need ,elite master hunters,then cream of the crop elite master hunter hunters.where does it end..I guess Im just tired of labels,and and carrots

[luvtohnt]

hey luvtohnt, i bet the reason you want to know what hunt that I was talking about is because you want to put in for it.  like i said, if all MH feel like they deserve the rights the fish and game give them, then go ahead and proudly put in for you tags.  Like all of us that are against it are saying, don't be a part of something and definitely don't argue with it when you don't know the in's and out's of each and every aspect of what the program is doing.  DO SOME ACTUAL RESEARCH AND YOU WILL BE AMAZED AT WHAT YOU WILL FIND.  I will admit that i don't know what all good this program brings, but the reason i don't is because of all of the negative.  I don't feel that giving the fish and game that much recognition is what i want to do.  Like i said before, in a situation like this, if feel that the old saying, "take the good with the bad" should not apply but the WDFW should not enact bad to get a little good.

First of all I could care less about all the special hunts. I joined and completed this program because it will look good on my resume since I am going into wildlife biology. Secondly I know all the in's and out's, but they change the hunts availale to MH, and since I don't keep up on which hunts are out there I was just curious. Also I have a few friends who live out in the colockum and they will call me when the elk are on their place, and if done properly you simply haze them off the property and take a couple shots in their direction and they won't come back. I have done it once with great results and no loss to the herd. I very well could have filled my tag in January on his place but chose not to, which I admit was hard because I haven't killed an elk in a few years. I don't like the idea of killing animals out of a herd that is already hurting population wise.
Colockum,
Most of that money is given to farmers on the west side of the valley where there is already a fence. The fence doesn't do very well when there are gaps and easy ways around it. You have to remember this is a delicate balance as the elk need to be on their winter range but you have to lower their impact at the same time. One of my friends has to rebuild his water takeout on Cooke creek every year because the elk do SO much damage to it. We fenced it out last spring and guess what the elk tore the *censored* out of the fence so again rebuild and repair. I costs him allot of money every year, and the game department just tells him o-well. The ethics part is hard because so many abuse this, when shooting in a damage control area you are supposed to position yourself so that when and if you get a shot the animals will vacate the property towards state owned property not just onto the neighbors Field. Most people do not do this. I think the program still needs some tweaking but we need all of the none MH on our side to help develope the program into something we can all be proud of!

Brandon

[Little Dave]

The WDFW pays out $20,000 a year to the hay farmers in Kittitas County for "elk damages" yet I see cattle wintering in the hay fields.  How do elk hurt the hay yet the cattle do not.  No one has yet to explain this to me. 

If the MH really is for conservation and damage control then why don't they build a fence.  Seems to me that the MH are just a band-aid. 

The fence presently costs about $20 per linear foot to install.  Most of this is labor cost.  Ironically, the state sometimes uses organized volunteers (including master hunters) to reduce expenses. 

Of course, the farmer/rancher may be able to do this on his own dime if he can afford the expense.  If a crop is raised at some expense and the cost is recovered in part by having stock grazing on it, I can see how wildlife using the crop is viewed as a loss.  However, if appropriate measures are not taken to protect the asset, it is my opinion that the loss is due to negligence and it is not the fault of the state.

[boneaddict]

What I hear going on here appears to be based on Jealousy.....

You're not listening very well then, especially if you think that's what is motivating me in what I had to say.   

[buck470]

I know! let's start a thread about a Yakama Indian Hunter, that is a Master Hunter, who hunts in the Colockum, He also works for WDFW, is running for Governor, Raises Wolves to be released into the wilds here in Washington. Is a Member of PETA....

Am I missing anything??

Kinda like a Soap Opera, "Who's on the chopping block today"