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A fuel cutoff switch would throw constant check engine lights Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk
Quote from: KFhunter on January 04, 2021, 08:03:39 AMA fuel cutoff switch would throw constant check engine lights Sent from my SM-G965U using TapatalkNo it wont, wired in to cut the relay and the engine will just crank but not start (other than the initial time while the existing pressure lets it, for a few seconds)It would just be a crank/no start condition with all the PCM inputs still present, no different than a failed fuel pump
Quote from: huntnphool on January 03, 2021, 11:31:54 PMQuote from: Buckmark on January 03, 2021, 05:43:20 PMQuote from: huntnphool on December 28, 2020, 03:30:54 PMQuote from: Buckmark on December 28, 2020, 10:33:16 AMAs mentioned above install a fuel pump cutoff switch Do not install a fuel cutoff, install a starter kill. Fuel cutoffs can leave you with a dead car while driving down the highway, resulting in loss off power, steering and braking. The worse case with a starter kill is the starter won’t crank, no potential to kill anyone. This is hilarious as most modern (20+ years of vehicles) have 3+ fuel pump failure points already on them, you have a greater chance of catching covid 19 and dying from it then the above scenario A properly installed fuel pump disconnect is not a problem, in fact it will allow the vehicle to start briefly then shut off which may alert you or the dog and will make the thief bail There are so many other reasons your car may lose power and die while driving resulting in the above scenario, but hey do you If you are scared of your vehicle shutting off while driving and you will lose control then please stay out of vehicles and off the road Try to have any business in the industry install a “fuel kill“ security system in your vehicle, then get back to us on which one will do it. Go ahead, I’ll wait for your documented reply! Never said to have a shop do it, some people can do things themselvesI know in the past and im sure they still do but Viper aftermarket security systems did disable fuel systems and most likely Clifford alarms do also. Car toys sells and installs them. Some factory alarm systems when activated or do not recognize a key kill the fuel system.So there is already potential for a fuel system to shut down due to an equipment failure already installed in vehicles.....Ever had an inertia switch in a Ford fail? I have had Fords where the switch is in the trunk and has been tripped while driving due to an item in the trunk sliding around and smacking the side, Which shuts off the fuel pump.
Quote from: Buckmark on January 03, 2021, 05:43:20 PMQuote from: huntnphool on December 28, 2020, 03:30:54 PMQuote from: Buckmark on December 28, 2020, 10:33:16 AMAs mentioned above install a fuel pump cutoff switch Do not install a fuel cutoff, install a starter kill. Fuel cutoffs can leave you with a dead car while driving down the highway, resulting in loss off power, steering and braking. The worse case with a starter kill is the starter won’t crank, no potential to kill anyone. This is hilarious as most modern (20+ years of vehicles) have 3+ fuel pump failure points already on them, you have a greater chance of catching covid 19 and dying from it then the above scenario A properly installed fuel pump disconnect is not a problem, in fact it will allow the vehicle to start briefly then shut off which may alert you or the dog and will make the thief bail There are so many other reasons your car may lose power and die while driving resulting in the above scenario, but hey do you If you are scared of your vehicle shutting off while driving and you will lose control then please stay out of vehicles and off the road Try to have any business in the industry install a “fuel kill“ security system in your vehicle, then get back to us on which one will do it. Go ahead, I’ll wait for your documented reply!
Quote from: huntnphool on December 28, 2020, 03:30:54 PMQuote from: Buckmark on December 28, 2020, 10:33:16 AMAs mentioned above install a fuel pump cutoff switch Do not install a fuel cutoff, install a starter kill. Fuel cutoffs can leave you with a dead car while driving down the highway, resulting in loss off power, steering and braking. The worse case with a starter kill is the starter won’t crank, no potential to kill anyone. This is hilarious as most modern (20+ years of vehicles) have 3+ fuel pump failure points already on them, you have a greater chance of catching covid 19 and dying from it then the above scenario A properly installed fuel pump disconnect is not a problem, in fact it will allow the vehicle to start briefly then shut off which may alert you or the dog and will make the thief bail There are so many other reasons your car may lose power and die while driving resulting in the above scenario, but hey do you If you are scared of your vehicle shutting off while driving and you will lose control then please stay out of vehicles and off the road
Quote from: Buckmark on December 28, 2020, 10:33:16 AMAs mentioned above install a fuel pump cutoff switch Do not install a fuel cutoff, install a starter kill. Fuel cutoffs can leave you with a dead car while driving down the highway, resulting in loss off power, steering and braking. The worse case with a starter kill is the starter won’t crank, no potential to kill anyone.
As mentioned above install a fuel pump cutoff switch
Quote from: Buckmark on January 04, 2021, 08:39:21 AMQuote from: huntnphool on January 03, 2021, 11:31:54 PMQuote from: Buckmark on January 03, 2021, 05:43:20 PMQuote from: huntnphool on December 28, 2020, 03:30:54 PMQuote from: Buckmark on December 28, 2020, 10:33:16 AMAs mentioned above install a fuel pump cutoff switch Do not install a fuel cutoff, install a starter kill. Fuel cutoffs can leave you with a dead car while driving down the highway, resulting in loss off power, steering and braking. The worse case with a starter kill is the starter won’t crank, no potential to kill anyone. This is hilarious as most modern (20+ years of vehicles) have 3+ fuel pump failure points already on them, you have a greater chance of catching covid 19 and dying from it then the above scenario A properly installed fuel pump disconnect is not a problem, in fact it will allow the vehicle to start briefly then shut off which may alert you or the dog and will make the thief bail There are so many other reasons your car may lose power and die while driving resulting in the above scenario, but hey do you If you are scared of your vehicle shutting off while driving and you will lose control then please stay out of vehicles and off the road Try to have any business in the industry install a “fuel kill“ security system in your vehicle, then get back to us on which one will do it. Go ahead, I’ll wait for your documented reply! Never said to have a shop do it, some people can do things themselvesI know in the past and im sure they still do but Viper aftermarket security systems did disable fuel systems and most likely Clifford alarms do also. Car toys sells and installs them. Some factory alarm systems when activated or do not recognize a key kill the fuel system.So there is already potential for a fuel system to shut down due to an equipment failure already installed in vehicles.....Ever had an inertia switch in a Ford fail? I have had Fords where the switch is in the trunk and has been tripped while driving due to an item in the trunk sliding around and smacking the side, Which shuts off the fuel pump. With all due respect Buckmark, you have been misinformed. Car Toys and other companies will never install a security system that disables a fuel system, nor does Clifford (who owns DEI, makers of Viper) recommend or condone fuel system cut offs. I happen to know his for a fact, Dan is friend and coworker from before April Fools Day 1987. Here is a Viper install manual clip, discussing the “starter kill”. You will notice it clearly shows the “starter” wire being cut and hooked up with a relay, not the “ignition” wire or “fuel pump” wire. No business owner is going to risk their company with those other type of cut offs!
Quote from: huntnphool on January 04, 2021, 12:00:25 PMQuote from: Buckmark on January 04, 2021, 08:39:21 AMQuote from: huntnphool on January 03, 2021, 11:31:54 PMQuote from: Buckmark on January 03, 2021, 05:43:20 PMQuote from: huntnphool on December 28, 2020, 03:30:54 PMQuote from: Buckmark on December 28, 2020, 10:33:16 AMAs mentioned above install a fuel pump cutoff switch Do not install a fuel cutoff, install a starter kill. Fuel cutoffs can leave you with a dead car while driving down the highway, resulting in loss off power, steering and braking. The worse case with a starter kill is the starter won’t crank, no potential to kill anyone. This is hilarious as most modern (20+ years of vehicles) have 3+ fuel pump failure points already on them, you have a greater chance of catching covid 19 and dying from it then the above scenario A properly installed fuel pump disconnect is not a problem, in fact it will allow the vehicle to start briefly then shut off which may alert you or the dog and will make the thief bail There are so many other reasons your car may lose power and die while driving resulting in the above scenario, but hey do you If you are scared of your vehicle shutting off while driving and you will lose control then please stay out of vehicles and off the road Try to have any business in the industry install a “fuel kill“ security system in your vehicle, then get back to us on which one will do it. Go ahead, I’ll wait for your documented reply! Never said to have a shop do it, some people can do things themselvesI know in the past and im sure they still do but Viper aftermarket security systems did disable fuel systems and most likely Clifford alarms do also. Car toys sells and installs them. Some factory alarm systems when activated or do not recognize a key kill the fuel system.So there is already potential for a fuel system to shut down due to an equipment failure already installed in vehicles.....Ever had an inertia switch in a Ford fail? I have had Fords where the switch is in the trunk and has been tripped while driving due to an item in the trunk sliding around and smacking the side, Which shuts off the fuel pump. With all due respect Buckmark, you have been misinformed. Car Toys and other companies will never install a security system that disables a fuel system, nor does Clifford (who owns DEI, makers of Viper) recommend or condone fuel system cut offs. I happen to know his for a fact, Dan is friend and coworker from before April Fools Day 1987. Here is a Viper install manual clip, discussing the “starter kill”. You will notice it clearly shows the “starter” wire being cut and hooked up with a relay, not the “ignition” wire or “fuel pump” wire. No business owner is going to risk their company with those other type of cut offs! With all due respect Huntnphool, Clifford back in the day (awhile ago ) had an optional wireless immobilizer kit for some of their systems, which disabled the fuel pump circuit..Maybe not anymore, but i wonder if they ever installed one of those? You apparently can ask. Clifford part #905210 wireless Immobilizer *From the installation instructions: (only the good parts)Wireless ImmobilizerThe Wireless Immobilizer can be installed anywhere in the vehicle where there is a 12V line that will shut down the engine whencut. 1. Find a positive ignition wire or positive fuel pump wire.5. Connect the BLACK wire labeled Ignition Fuel Input +12V to the key side of the cut line.6. Connect the BLACK wire labeled Ignition Fuel Output +12V to the engine side of the cut line.So lets agree to disagree, i am sure they no longer interrupt fuel systems, but they didGood luck to the OP whatever he chooses to do
Quote from: Buckmark on January 04, 2021, 01:06:05 PMQuote from: huntnphool on January 04, 2021, 12:00:25 PMQuote from: Buckmark on January 04, 2021, 08:39:21 AMQuote from: huntnphool on January 03, 2021, 11:31:54 PMQuote from: Buckmark on January 03, 2021, 05:43:20 PMQuote from: huntnphool on December 28, 2020, 03:30:54 PMQuote from: Buckmark on December 28, 2020, 10:33:16 AMAs mentioned above install a fuel pump cutoff switch Do not install a fuel cutoff, install a starter kill. Fuel cutoffs can leave you with a dead car while driving down the highway, resulting in loss off power, steering and braking. The worse case with a starter kill is the starter won’t crank, no potential to kill anyone. This is hilarious as most modern (20+ years of vehicles) have 3+ fuel pump failure points already on them, you have a greater chance of catching covid 19 and dying from it then the above scenario A properly installed fuel pump disconnect is not a problem, in fact it will allow the vehicle to start briefly then shut off which may alert you or the dog and will make the thief bail There are so many other reasons your car may lose power and die while driving resulting in the above scenario, but hey do you If you are scared of your vehicle shutting off while driving and you will lose control then please stay out of vehicles and off the road Try to have any business in the industry install a “fuel kill“ security system in your vehicle, then get back to us on which one will do it. Go ahead, I’ll wait for your documented reply! Never said to have a shop do it, some people can do things themselvesI know in the past and im sure they still do but Viper aftermarket security systems did disable fuel systems and most likely Clifford alarms do also. Car toys sells and installs them. Some factory alarm systems when activated or do not recognize a key kill the fuel system.So there is already potential for a fuel system to shut down due to an equipment failure already installed in vehicles.....Ever had an inertia switch in a Ford fail? I have had Fords where the switch is in the trunk and has been tripped while driving due to an item in the trunk sliding around and smacking the side, Which shuts off the fuel pump. With all due respect Buckmark, you have been misinformed. Car Toys and other companies will never install a security system that disables a fuel system, nor does Clifford (who owns DEI, makers of Viper) recommend or condone fuel system cut offs. I happen to know his for a fact, Dan is friend and coworker from before April Fools Day 1987. Here is a Viper install manual clip, discussing the “starter kill”. You will notice it clearly shows the “starter” wire being cut and hooked up with a relay, not the “ignition” wire or “fuel pump” wire. No business owner is going to risk their company with those other type of cut offs! With all due respect Huntnphool, Clifford back in the day (awhile ago ) had an optional wireless immobilizer kit for some of their systems, which disabled the fuel pump circuit..Maybe not anymore, but i wonder if they ever installed one of those? You apparently can ask. Clifford part #905210 wireless Immobilizer *From the installation instructions: (only the good parts)Wireless ImmobilizerThe Wireless Immobilizer can be installed anywhere in the vehicle where there is a 12V line that will shut down the engine whencut. 1. Find a positive ignition wire or positive fuel pump wire.5. Connect the BLACK wire labeled Ignition Fuel Input +12V to the key side of the cut line.6. Connect the BLACK wire labeled Ignition Fuel Output +12V to the engine side of the cut line.So lets agree to disagree, i am sure they no longer interrupt fuel systems, but they didGood luck to the OP whatever he chooses to doThey may have tried it at one point, until the lawsuits came pooring in from those that armed while driving. That doesn’t mean it’s an option today. And doing a home job would make me nervous It could void a warranty.