Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?

[Mr Mykiss]

There you have it. Sabotloader says no scopes. Sack up, rifle hunt or go 100% draw for deer...you can't have it EVERY SINGLE WAY.

[Jonathan_S]

"There are no solutions, only tradeoffs..." looks like muzzleloader seasons will need a trimming once again. Part of the problem is them calling it a "muzzleoader season", if it were "primitive firearm" then it wouldn't have been so easily *censored*ized by all the technology designed for small Eastern farms and MZ/shotgun seasons.

I'm currently blessed with impeccable eyesight and I hope when that fades, I can bow out gracefully without demanding a rule change. Same for archery, eventually I'll hang it up and not  for a crossbow season.

A 1x scope in the hands of an average shooter could double or triple the perceived effective range of a muzzleloaded rifle.

[Jonathan_S]

I've not been around forever but the days in the MZ seasons before multi-season, 209s etc. were some good days.

One final thought, the legalization of equipment to boost hunter recruitment is a platitude at this point, particularly among niche seasons like MZ and archery.

[Cougartail]

A 1x scope in the hands of an average shooter could double or triple the perceived effective range of a muzzleloaded rifle.

Easy enought to prove. I'll work on that theory this spring.

First I'll have to excel to average.  lol

[Jonathan_S]

Good luck. 

That bullet is deadly a LOT farther than we can effectively see through iron sights.

[Reidus]

Good luck. 

That bullet is deadly a LOT farther than we can effectively see through iron sights.

 

With the latest muzzleloaders and modern primers you can shoot a high bc (high for muzzleloader bullets) 300gr .45 cal bullet at over 2400fps with easily sub moa accuracy. 300 win mag energy at the muzzle. A 1x scope that you could accurately dial at longer ranges would be deadly.

[BULLBLASTER]

"There are no solutions, only tradeoffs..." looks like muzzleloader seasons will need a trimming once again. Part of the problem is them calling it a "muzzleoader season", if it were "primitive firearm" then it wouldn't have been so easily *censored*ized by all the technology designed for small Eastern farms and MZ/shotgun seasons.

I'm currently blessed with impeccable eyesight and I hope when that fades, I can bow out gracefully without demanding a rule change. Same for archery, eventually I'll hang it up and not  for a crossbow season.

A 1x scope in the hands of an average shooter could double or triple the perceived effective range of a muzzleloaded rifle.

[millerwheeler]

No scopes period that’s my  sorry for the guys with aging or just bad eye sight but there needs to be a stopping point or limitation to muzzleloaders and I think having a sealed breach and 209’s should be the end

 Perzactly !! Already a great edge with the sealed breach and 209 now

[Cougartail]

Good luck. 

That bullet is deadly a LOT farther than we can effectively see through iron sights.

 

With the latest muzzleloaders and modern primers you can shoot a high bc (high for muzzleloader bullets) 300gr .45 cal bullet at over 2400fps with easily sub moa accuracy.

Easily sub MOA? Funny how I never see many sub MOA guys with modern rifles. A lot of talk.. but little doing at the range. Field conditions with a muzzleloader? Not happening often.

[Jonathan_S]

Yeah probably not easily in most cases but you certainly don't need sub-MOA to kill deer and elk at 200-300 yards. Point is that field conditions are easier to shoot farther and more accurately with a scope of any power.

[huntingfool7]

No scopes period that’s my  sorry for the guys with aging or just bad eye sight but there needs to be a stopping point or limitation to muzzleloaders and I think having a sealed breach and 209’s should be the end

I say- take away sealed breaches, sabots and 209's.  Everyone should be packing a Hawken...Put a 1x scope on it if you like.    The glassware isn't where you got away from tradition!

[Jonathan_S]

I was against all those changes but none are as pertinent as the glass issue since I already lost the other battles.

[callturner]

I say take anything you can get. Not that often the WDFW gives rather than takes. And while your at it make BPCR legal also.

[dilleytech]

I say take anything you can get. Not that often the WDFW gives rather than takes. And while your at it make BPCR legal also.

It’s not a positive change if it leads to shorter seasons or more restrictions elsewhere for the muzzy community.

[Dirty Mike]

I say take anything you can get. Not that often the WDFW gives rather than takes. And while your at it make BPCR legal also.

It’s not a positive change if it leads to shorter seasons or more restrictions elsewhere for the muzzy community.

I agree this only leads to shorter season other restrictions. At what point do they just combine modern and muzzy seasons?