Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?

[Tenkara]

Didn't somebody in this thread already contact Vortex about it who said they'd be happy to put one into production?

Yeah someone mentioned that earlier in the thread.

It should be noted that Vortex also previously made a crossfire II in 1x24. So they have manufactured them before this time.

This is correct, but good luck finding one.

[Karl Blanchard]

Ya, can you show us a 1x scope with turrets or bdc reticle please ?   

show me a 1x scope without electronics period  with new laws come new innovation.  When this passes, the optics industry will respond.

Do you really think the optics industry is going to respond for washingtons miniscule muzzle loader hunt 

They did for utah when utah had the same rule.

  this 100%. The industry absolutely will do just this.  There is about to be a whole bunch of folks shopping for a new 1x optic. Why would they not tune up a new scope to meet that demand.

[BULLBLASTER]

Also vortex has in the past customized existing scopes to be 1x. I know of a member here who used a 1x vortex pst on a utah hunt a few years ago. Im assuming they would continue that as well.

[bobcat]

Leupold probably would since they're in Oregon just across the river from Washington.

[Tenkara]

Does anyone have a number on how many muzzleloader hunters are in Washington?  It seems to be split about 50/50 on who would or wouldn't use a scope.

[Karl Blanchard]

Does anyone have a number on how many muzzleloader hunters are in Washington?  It seems to be split about 50/50 on who would or wouldn't use a scope.

I think you are a bit off there. I absolutely don't want scopes in muzzleloader but if it passes ill be putting one on and I think most others who appose the idea would at well. Id love to get rid of inlines as well but im sure not gonna intentionally hamstring myself just because. I love muzzleloading for the seasons and opportunities (just like archery), not for the love of a more primitive weapon. I wanna keep those seasons and opportunities.  As technology advances with these primitive weapons, opportunities diminish 

[buckfvr]

Ill be mostly surprised if a new line of 1x scopes hit the market (all be it pleasantly), however I dont advocate for it neither will I knowingly put myself at an unnecessary disadvantage.

[Tenkara]

Does anyone have a number on how many muzzleloader hunters are in Washington?  It seems to be split about 50/50 on who would or wouldn't use a scope.

I think you are a bit off there. I absolutely don't want scopes in muzzleloader but if it passes ill be putting one on and I think most others who appose the idea would at well. Id love to get rid of inlines as well but im sure not gonna intentionally hamstring myself just because. I love muzzleloading for the seasons and opportunities (just like archery), not for the love of a more primitive weapon. I wanna keep those seasons and opportunities.  As technology advances with these primitive weapons, opportunities diminish 

I'm surprised that being so against it you would use one if it passes, if you cant beat them join them i guess.

[Jonathan_S]

How did the last reply not clear that up for you?

[Tenkara]

How did the last reply not clear that up for you?

Because I'm not going to do something  idont agree with just because its ok to do so.

[Karl Blanchard]

How did the last reply not clear that up for you?

Because I'm not going to do something  idont agree with just because its ok to do so.

did you not read my post? Its got nothing to do with tradition and everything to do with seasons. Muzzleloaders are the best seasons there is. That will change as optics enter the game.

[Tenkara]

How did the last reply not clear that up for you?

Because I'm not going to do something  idont agree with just because its ok to do so.

did you not read my post? Its got nothing to do with tradition and everything to do with seasons. Muzzleloaders are the best seasons there is. That will change as optics enter the game.

Yes I read your post, and I respect your opinion,  I also wasn't trying  to get in an argument just because I don't agree with you on this topic. My point is if something I don't agree with is ok I'm not going to do it .

[Alan K]

I think you are a bit off there. I absolutely don't want scopes in muzzleloader but if it passes ill be putting one on and I think most others who appose the idea would at well. Id love to get rid of inlines as well but im sure not gonna intentionally hamstring myself just because. I love muzzleloading for the seasons and opportunities (just like archery), not for the love of a more primitive weapon. I wanna keep those seasons and opportunities.  As technology advances with these primitive weapons, opportunities diminish 

Bingo, same boat I'm in. The only problem is WDFW won't trim seasons back, and game populations will continue downward.

[Alan K]

There were roughly 14k muzzleloader elk tags sold in 2019 in WA. Say even just 25% would buy a scope. That's 3500 scopes, made in China for $150, sold here for $350, 30% taxes, a scope manufacturer would be looking at $140 margins. That's nearly 500k for the company that makes one.  The only extra cost in R&D would be the engineer sitting on the computer for a day or two removing the magnification from one of their existing scope bodies. Why wouldn't a company make the leap?

[253shotgunner]

21 pages? Is that some kind of record for scopes on muzzies? 
Make 1x scopes legal on muzzies and they will be back on the market:
Thompson Center Rifle Scope 1X32Mm, 1" Tube, Matte Black
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000JP4K4S/?coliid=IDWHN9EXAI55M&colid=35DDBR50MXREO&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it