Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?

[Limhangerslayer]

There were roughly 14k muzzleloader elk tags sold in 2019 in WA. Say even just 25% would buy a scope. That's 3500 scopes, made in China for $150, sold here for $350, 30% taxes, a scope manufacturer would be looking at $140 margins. That's nearly 500k for the company that makes one.  The only extra cost in R&D would be the engineer sitting on the computer for a day or two removing the magnification from one of their existing scope bodies. Why wouldn't a company make the leap?

there’s no R&D needed, Utah had the 1x season and vortex has a scope already. Just out of stock.  If it becomes legal they will push them out afterwards.  There are lots of red dots to use.

[Wizekrakr]

There were roughly 14k muzzleloader elk tags sold in 2019 in WA. Say even just 25% would buy a scope. That's 3500 scopes, made in China for $150, sold here for $350, 30% taxes, a scope manufacturer would be looking at $140 margins. That's nearly 500k for the company that makes one.  The only extra cost in R&D would be the engineer sitting on the computer for a day or two removing the magnification from one of their existing scope bodies. Why wouldn't a company make the leap?

there’s no R&D needed, Utah had the 1x season and vortex has a scope already. Just out of stock.  If it becomes legal they will push them out afterwards.  There are lots of red dots to use.

Current Regs say it is unlawful to have any electrical device or equipment attached to a muzzle loader.  That would include Red dot scopes.

[Limhangerslayer]

There were roughly 14k muzzleloader elk tags sold in 2019 in WA. Say even just 25% would buy a scope. That's 3500 scopes, made in China for $150, sold here for $350, 30% taxes, a scope manufacturer would be looking at $140 margins. That's nearly 500k for the company that makes one.  The only extra cost in R&D would be the engineer sitting on the computer for a day or two removing the magnification from one of their existing scope bodies. Why wouldn't a company make the leap?

there’s no R&D needed, Utah had the 1x season and vortex has a scope already. Just out of stock.  If it becomes legal they will push them out afterwards.  There are lots of red dots to use.

Current Regs say it is unlawful to have any electrical device or equipment attached to a muzzle loader.  That would include Red dot scopes.

wasn’t talking about current regs?  And neither was this thread

[Wizekrakr]

There are 7  scope makers that I can find that once made a 1x scope that muzzle loader hunters used in the states that have legalized it.  Thompson Center, Nikon, Weaver, Sightron, Traditions, Vortex and Nightforce.   All have been discontinued.  Except for Nightforce none sold for more that $149 that I can find.  Finding one online today is next to impossible.  If this rule is approved by the department, I agree it will not make any difference in game harvest or hunter crowding. It will be rare to see a muzzle loader hunter in the field with a scope on their rifle.  And I too doubt that any of those scope companies will ramp up their 1x scope operations just for Washington state.

[Wizekrakr]

There were roughly 14k muzzleloader elk tags sold in 2019 in WA. Say even just 25% would buy a scope. That's 3500 scopes, made in China for $150, sold here for $350, 30% taxes, a scope manufacturer would be looking at $140 margins. That's nearly 500k for the company that makes one.  The only extra cost in R&D would be the engineer sitting on the computer for a day or two removing the magnification from one of their existing scope bodies. Why wouldn't a company make the leap?

there’s no R&D needed, Utah had the 1x season and vortex has a scope already. Just out of stock.  If it becomes legal they will push them out afterwards.  There are lots of red dots to use.

So what indication do you have that the department will do away with the electrical device prohibition that is in THE CURRENT REGS if they decide to approve 1x scopes? The answer is none.
Current Regs say it is unlawful to have any electrical device or equipment attached to a muzzle loader.  That would include Red dot scopes.

wasn’t talking about current regs?  And neither was this thread

[actionshooter]

  

[Limhangerslayer]

There are 7  scope makers that I can find that once made a 1x scope that muzzle loader hunters used in the states that have legalized it.  Thompson Center, Nikon, Weaver, Sightron, Traditions, Vortex and Nightforce.   All have been discontinued.  Except for Nightforce none sold for more that $149 that I can find.  Finding one online today is next to impossible.  If this rule is approved by the department, I agree it will not make any difference in game harvest or hunter crowding. It will be rare to see a muzzle loader hunter in the field with a scope on their rifle.  And I too doubt that any of those scope companies will ramp up their 1x scope operations just for Washington state.

lmao, check into it.  Vortex built one for Utah when they had a 1x restriction. They haven’t had one for a couple years.  Demand is down they quit making them.  If Washington ok’s it they have another market.  Game on!!?

[Tenkara]

There were roughly 14k muzzleloader elk tags sold in 2019 in WA. Say even just 25% would buy a scope. That's 3500 scopes, made in China for $150, sold here for $350, 30% taxes, a scope manufacturer would be looking at $140 margins. That's nearly 500k for the company that makes one.  The only extra cost in R&D would be the engineer sitting on the computer for a day or two removing the magnification from one of their existing scope bodies. Why wouldn't a company make the leap?

Your numbers way off,  your retail number is double of the suggested retail for the vortex scope.

[Tenkara]

https://vortexoptics.com/vortex-crossfire-ii-1x24-muzzleloader-riflescope.html

[Bob33]

There are 7  scope makers that I can find that once made a 1x scope that muzzle loader hunters used in the states that have legalized it.  Thompson Center, Nikon, Weaver, Sightron, Traditions, Vortex and Nightforce.   All have been discontinued.  Except for Nightforce none sold for more that $149 that I can find.  Finding one online today is next to impossible.  If this rule is approved by the department, I agree it will not make any difference in game harvest or hunter crowding. It will be rare to see a muzzle loader hunter in the field with a scope on their rifle.  And I too doubt that any of those scope companies will ramp up their 1x scope operations just for Washington state.

Interestingly enough, I googled 1x scopes and found a Tradition 1x for $59. I bought it just in case.

[Tenkara]

There are 7  scope makers that I can find that once made a 1x scope that muzzle loader hunters used in the states that have legalized it.  Thompson Center, Nikon, Weaver, Sightron, Traditions, Vortex and Nightforce.   All have been discontinued.  Except for Nightforce none sold for more that $149 that I can find.  Finding one online today is next to impossible.  If this rule is approved by the department, I agree it will not make any difference in game harvest or hunter crowding. It will be rare to see a muzzle loader hunter in the field with a scope on their rifle.  And I too doubt that any of those scope companies will ramp up their 1x scope operations just for Washington state.

Interestingly enough, I googled 1x scopes and found a Tradition 1x for $59. I bought it just in case.

Thanks Bob,  looks like I got the last one.

[BULLBLASTER]

Bob or tenkara can one or both of you install the scope on your muzzy and shoot for accuracy once you receive it? That would give us all on this thread a bit of data to support or disprove the accuracy claims. Maybe try shooting at extended ranges if you can also. 

[Tenkara]

Bob or tenkara can one or both of you install the scope on your muzzy and shoot for accuracy once you receive it? That would give us all on this thread a bit of data to support or disprove the accuracy claims. Maybe try shooting at extended ranges if you can also. 

You bet.

[Bob33]

Bob or tenkara can one or both of you install the scope on your muzzy and shoot for accuracy once you receive it? That would give us all on this thread a bit of data to support or disprove the accuracy claims. Maybe try shooting at extended ranges if you can also. 

Sure, unless I sell it first for $350. 

[Dan-o]

Bob or tenkara can one or both of you install the scope on your muzzy and shoot for accuracy once you receive it? That would give us all on this thread a bit of data to support or disprove the accuracy claims. Maybe try shooting at extended ranges if you can also. 

Sure, unless I sell it first for $350. 

I'll take it!!!!!!