Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?

[lamrith]

any update on if this was approved or not?

[Ghost Hunter]

any update on if this was approved or not?

No.  Still got time to make comments.

2021-23 Hunting Season Rules - Adoption by the WDFW Commission
2021-23 Hunting Season Rules - Adoption by the WDFW Commission  - March/April 2021

The recommendations will be presented for consideration by the Fish and Wildlife Commission in March and with potential adoption in April 2021. These recommendations will be based on the biological needs of a species and the social need of the public gathered through the comment period.

[usmc74]

Anyone have a part # for a rail for my bighorn?

https://www.egwguns.com/knight-bolt-action-muzzleloader-picatinny-rail-0-moa

Get the 20 MOA for long shots?  JK

[usmc74]

Not in favor, but if this passes, my muzzy will be wearing a scope.

[GWP]

I was considering selling my Hawkins and single shot pistol. May have to wait to see how this falls out.
Thought I had a 1X rifle scope in the shop but it turned out to be 2.5 fixed. Looked 'just to see' after reading this thread.

[Ghost Hunter]

This might be it.  Shotguns, muzzleloader, crossbow.  One size fits all.

https://www.amazon.com/TRUGLO-Red-Dot-Crossbow-3-Dot-Sight/dp/B004Z5BVFO

[fire*guy]

Any idea if electronic scopes will be allowed such as red-dot ?
For some reason I was thinking that battery aided equipment wasnt allowed ? 
I know this whole thing is premature, we have no idea it will even pass or not.

[Bob33]

Any idea if electronic scopes will be allowed such as red-dot ?
For some reason I was thinking that battery aided equipment wasnt allowed ? 
I know this whole thing is premature, we have no idea it will even pass or not.

There were no proposals addressing the use of electronics so I assume they will still be illegal during muzzleloader seasons.

[Ghost Hunter]

In the proposals. 

WAC 220-414-060 Muzzleloading firearms.

(b) Sights must be open, peep, ((or)) of other open sight design,
or scopes not exceeding 1x magnification. Fiber optic sights are legal. Telescopic sights ((or sights containing glass)) are prohibited.
(c) It is unlawful to have any electrical aiming device ((or
equipment)) attached to a muzzleloading firearm while hunting except
for red dot or other similar electronically powered scopes not exceeding 1x magnification. It is lawful to mount a video camera to your
muzzleloader while hunting provided it cannot be used for aiming the
firearm.
(d) T

[fire*guy]

I've heard very mixed reviews on hunting with a red dot sight. Anyone ever try one on a hunting rifle before ?

[usmc74]

Had a cheap BSA red dot on a 12 ga slug gun.  Had to reset zero about every 20 shots.

I moved it to my 10/22 and it did the same.  I would assume the better ones would not have this issue

[Bob33]

In the proposals. 

WAC 220-414-060 Muzzleloading firearms.

(b) Sights must be open, peep, ((or)) of other open sight design,
or scopes not exceeding 1x magnification. Fiber optic sights are legal. Telescopic sights ((or sights containing glass)) are prohibited.
(c) It is unlawful to have any electrical aiming device ((or
equipment)) attached to a muzzleloading firearm while hunting except
for red dot or other similar electronically powered scopes not exceeding 1x magnification. It is lawful to mount a video camera to your
muzzleloader while hunting provided it cannot be used for aiming the
firearm.
(d) T

Thanks.

[Bob33]

https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/files/about/regulations/filings/2021/combined.pdf

WAC 220-414-060 Muzzleloading firearms. 1. Under current rule, sights on muzzleloading firearms must be open, peep, or of other open sight design. Optic sights are allowed, but telescopic sights or sights containing glass are not. The Department routinely receives requests from hunters to allow the use of 1x scopes on muzzleloading firearms. Common arguments in support of allowing them to be used are related to increased hunter participation, hunter retention, and ensuring a clean and ethical kill. One-power scopes do not magnify the target, but rather provide a clearer sight window, in much the same way eyeglasses correct someone’s vision (i.e., they make the target clearer, but don’t make it bigger). Common arguments against their use are typically related to the use of scopes not adhering to the spirit of primitive weapons. The Department is not opposed to allowing the use of 1x scopes on muzzleloading firearms because we do not anticipate it would result in more animals being harvested. When presented to the public for initial comment, 65% of the ~1,300 respondents indicated support for this proposal. 2. Currently, it is unlawful for hunters to have any electrical equipment or electric device(s) attached to muzzleloading firearms. By rule, this precludes a hunter from mounting a video camera to their weapon for the purpose of filming their hunt. Filming hunts has become a common practice with hunters, but it is difficult for hunters that prefer to hunt without other hunting companions. Allowing video-cameras to be mounted to muzzleloading firearms would make it easier for them to film their hunts and does not present a resource concern. When presented to the public for initial comment, 71% of the ~1,300 respondents indicated support for this proposal. 3. Recent technological advancements in muzzleloading equipment have resulted in the development of muzzleloading firearms that use an encapsulated propellant charge that loads from the breech and is completely impervious to moisture. The bullet is still loaded from the muzzle. Hunters have begun to inquire as to whether this type of muzzleloading firearm is legal to use in Washington. It is not because the current rule requires that the load be loaded from the muzzle. By amending language to clearly state that the term load includes both the powder charge and bullet, the proposed amendment simply adds language to clarify these new muzzleloading firearms are not lawful during established muzzleloader seasons.

[actionshooter]

I've heard very mixed reviews on hunting with a red dot sight. Anyone ever try one on a hunting rifle before ?

I have a lot but it's on a Win 88 308 that I have used for hound hunting... It works great, but I don't think they would be  great for anything at distance....

 keep in mind that a 6moa dot is 6" in diameter at 100yds, basically 12" at 200 so that's a lot of room for error.

[GWP]

I had a couple quality red dot's when my eyes were better/different and did a bunch of shooting at 100 yards (rifle and pistol) to see if it would work. It did not work well. Even though they 'say' 6 mil, for me, they seemed to cover more than that. I was not happy with the spread. I was Ok with it at 50 yards, but even then, you are placing the dot by how much is around it, not centering it on the target, if that makes sense. You can't see the center.
I played with a laser at low light as well. That actually worked surprisingly well, but ONLY in low light.