Scopes for 2021 WA Muzzleloader season?

[dilleytech]

Anyone have any luck finding 1x scopes.  I dont think a red dot will be that effective unless you get a very good one (1 moa)

A 2 moa dot is still a lot smaller on target “2 inches” when compared to bead and peep or finger optics. Certainly would make a person a lot more accurate out to distances.

[Mtnwalker]

Anyone have any luck finding 1x scopes.  I dont think a red dot will be that effective unless you get a very good one (1 moa)

A 2 moa dot is still a lot smaller on target “2 inches” when compared to bead and peep or finger optics. Certainly would make a person a lot more accurate out to distances.

I think i figured my stock Bighorn front sight at just under 5moa if I remember correctly...

[dilleytech]

Anyone have any luck finding 1x scopes.  I dont think a red dot will be that effective unless you get a very good one (1 moa)

A 2 moa dot is still a lot smaller on target “2 inches” when compared to bead and peep or finger optics. Certainly would make a person a lot more accurate out to distances.

I think i figured my stock Bighorn front sight at just under 5moa if I remember correctly...

It seems I figured mine was around 8 MOA but I can’t remember. But having clear glass all around that little 2 or 1 Moa dot is a large improvement.

[GWP]

https://www.seeallopensight.com

This sight was brought up a couple times but did not get a lot of discussion.
While it DOES NOT MAGNIFY THE TARGET, there is a magnifying lens built into it that amplifies the INTERNAL triangle that becomes the forward sight. It actually is an open sight with '0' magnification, but there IS a glass magnifying lens that is part of the sight.
I had a similar 'sort' of sight on a bow that eliminated the peep sight in the string and the big ring on the bow. It had two internal rings that you would center to be on target.
It was smaller than the ring/peep set up, and for my eyes, easier to use. It was called an 'Anchor Point'.
I would use one of the SeeAll sights on a muzzle loader, but would wonder if they would think it 'illegal' as there is a glass, magnifying lens built into it, even though it DOES NOT MAGNIFY THE TARGET.

[millerwheeler]

https://www.seeallopensight.com

This sight was brought up a couple times but did not get a lot of discussion.
While it DOES NOT MAGNIFY THE TARGET, there is a magnifying lens built into it that amplifies the INTERNAL triangle that becomes the forward sight. It actually is an open sight with '0' magnification, but there IS a glass magnifying lens that is part of the sight.
I had a similar 'sort' of sight on a bow that eliminated the peep sight in the string and the big ring on the bow. It had two internal rings that you would center to be on target.
It was smaller than the ring/peep set up, and for my eyes, easier to use. It was called an 'Anchor Point'.
I would use one of the SeeAll sights on a muzzle loader, but would wonder if they would think it 'illegal' as there is a glass, magnifying lens built into it, even though it DOES NOT MAGNIFY THE TARGET.

Used this site on my knight and is legal already didn’t care for it personally but have a friend that loves it

[bkaech]

https://www.seeallopensight.com

This sight was brought up a couple times but did not get a lot of discussion.
While it DOES NOT MAGNIFY THE TARGET, there is a magnifying lens built into it that amplifies the INTERNAL triangle that becomes the forward sight. It actually is an open sight with '0' magnification, but there IS a glass magnifying lens that is part of the sight.
I had a similar 'sort' of sight on a bow that eliminated the peep sight in the string and the big ring on the bow. It had two internal rings that you would center to be on target.
It was smaller than the ring/peep set up, and for my eyes, easier to use. It was called an 'Anchor Point'.
I would use one of the SeeAll sights on a muzzle loader, but would wonder if they would think it 'illegal' as there is a glass, magnifying lens built into it, even though it DOES NOT MAGNIFY THE TARGET.

Used this site on my knight and is legal already didn’t care for it personally but have a friend that loves it

I would disagree with the statement that it is already legal. Last years regulations say that a sight containing glass is prohibited, Although it is an "open" sight it does contain glass. I may be wrong, I'm no expert.

I would imagine these would be legal if the changes go through, and a very interesting design, but a lot different than a 1x scope.

[haftard]

well vortex makes a crossfire 1x24 muzzleloader scope. i think it has 2.5moa cross hairs. for like 150 bucks. so. i know what im getting. 300 yards is alot more doable with optics then it is with open sights

[carpsniperg2]

https://www.seeallopensight.com

This sight was brought up a couple times but did not get a lot of discussion.
While it DOES NOT MAGNIFY THE TARGET, there is a magnifying lens built into it that amplifies the INTERNAL triangle that becomes the forward sight. It actually is an open sight with '0' magnification, but there IS a glass magnifying lens that is part of the sight.
I had a similar 'sort' of sight on a bow that eliminated the peep sight in the string and the big ring on the bow. It had two internal rings that you would center to be on target.
It was smaller than the ring/peep set up, and for my eyes, easier to use. It was called an 'Anchor Point'.
I would use one of the SeeAll sights on a muzzle loader, but would wonder if they would think it 'illegal' as there is a glass, magnifying lens built into it, even though it DOES NOT MAGNIFY THE TARGET.

Used this site on my knight and is legal already didn’t care for it personally but have a friend that loves it

I would disagree with the statement that it is already legal. Last years regulations say that a sight containing glass is prohibited, Although it is an "open" sight it does contain glass. I may be wrong, I'm no expert.

I would imagine these would be legal if the changes go through, and a very interesting design, but a lot different than a 1x scope.

https://www.muzzle-loaders.com/optics/see-all-open-sight-delta-triangle-sight.html

I am pretty sure the company has letters from most states like Washington where they submitted them for review and they were given the ok. If you read the listing they claim legal in all states where fiber optic open sights are legal. I would think that would be a huge liability for the company if they were selling it as being legal and it’s not.

[JimmyHoffa]

I ended up finding an old weaver k1.  Looking at getting the see through rings.  Just from playing around with it, sure seems like even 1x would be a bonus.

[Damnimissed]

well vortex makes a crossfire 1x24 muzzleloader scope. i think it has 2.5moa cross hairs. for like 150 bucks. so. i know what im getting. 300 yards is alot more doable with optics then it is with open sights

Good luck finding one. They’ve been discontinued for several years and I’ve been seeing WTB ads on other sites as soon as there was talk of this rule change.

[hunter399]

Honestly I was against it at first.
But after keeping up with this topic,My disgust for WDFW,
And the fact that it doesn't really seem that bad.
I hope you guys do get it.I think you will.
Might as well take every opportunity we can get.
Savor the flavor and run with it.

[Mtnwalker]

well vortex makes a crossfire 1x24 muzzleloader scope. i think it has 2.5moa cross hairs. for like 150 bucks. so. i know what im getting. 300 yards is alot more doable with optics then it is with open sights

If this does pass I hope everybody takes the time to run some ballistics on their setup and see what that bullet is actually doing at 300 cause with a lot of em' it isn't much

[Pathfinder101]

Do we know anything yet?  Or do we have to wait until the regs are published in a month?

[bobcat]

Do we know anything yet?  Or do we have to wait until the regs are published in a month?

Should know after the meeting this weekend.

[jrebel]

well vortex makes a crossfire 1x24 muzzleloader scope. i think it has 2.5moa cross hairs. for like 150 bucks. so. i know what im getting. 300 yards is alot more doable with optics then it is with open sights

If this does pass I hope everybody takes the time to run some ballistics on their setup and see what that bullet is actually doing at 300 cause with a lot of em' it isn't much

Most people can’t shoot their rifles well enough to make a clean kill at 300.....  
I can’t wait till they make a daisy red rider with scope mounts....those pesky rodents in the barn yard won’t stand a chance.....I’ll be hitting them from the front porch at 300 yards.  Should just cut them in half!!!!