Pay Attention: Inslee Appoints Radicals to WDFW Commission

[ne kid]

Nobody is going to change their minds.

[Bushcraft]

I think to have any chance at stopping these appointments there needs to be a set of reasons the Democratic Senators listed above will not support these nominees.  Do we have anything that might appeal to these particular legislators?

Excellent question! Work is being done to pull that information together.

[KFhunter]

I think to have any chance at stopping these appointments there needs to be a set of reasons the Democratic Senators listed above will not support these nominees.  Do we have anything that might appeal to these particular legislators?

Have more luck with livestock producers, love to see you get in bed with cattlemen.

But that is the angle we need.

How will the cattlemen help convince these Dem senators to reject these appointments?  I'm not following your logic.

I don't see how you can't understand cattlemen want responsible wolf management, and so too do hunters.  These new commissioners aren't a step in that direction.  Vilification of other user groups even when goals align is not going to help the end goal of blocking these appointments. 

Stop drinking the "cattlemen are bad" kool-aid..They're a pretty big lobby and pretty big voice when it comes to getting senators' attention. 

Get the timber industry in on it too, andvwe migbt have a chance.

Get non-hunting forest users who want to see deer, elk and a healthier ecosystem and it might be a slam dunk.

Time is critical though..but the ground work will help resist the commissions sure to come harmful rules during publuc comment period.



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[Skyvalhunter]

The thing we don't want to have is in places like Michigan or other states where they don't want to see wolves population being controlled. When it comes to a point where the population has gotten to large and they lose their fear of humans we are in trouble. Or like in the Bob Marshall where the grizzly population has become so large that you can't even take a dog hiking there and have to carry spray or a weapon at all times.
When the hikers are fearful of an encounter and must protect themselves at all times we are in trouble. As it is now they think a cougar death here or there and a person getting treed by a wolf pack is ok. I personally think its a precursor and hope that wolf management is really a tool used by WDFW. But also know that any season here is expected to be challenged in court. When we agree that WA will look at a wolf season when we have "X" number of breeding pairs then it's challenged in court to be changed to dispersed across the state that season might never be seen. 

[idahohuntr]

I think to have any chance at stopping these appointments there needs to be a set of reasons the Democratic Senators listed above will not support these nominees.  Do we have anything that might appeal to these particular legislators?

Have more luck with livestock producers, love to see you get in bed with cattlemen.

But that is the angle we need.

How will the cattlemen help convince these Dem senators to reject these appointments?  I'm not following your logic.

I don't see how you can't understand cattlemen want responsible wolf management, and so too do hunters.  These new commissioners aren't a step in that direction.  Vilification of other user groups even when goals align is not going to help the end goal of blocking these appointments. 

Stop drinking the "cattlemen are bad" kool-aid..They're a pretty big lobby and pretty big voice when it comes to getting senators' attention. 

Get the timber industry in on it too, andvwe migbt have a chance.

Get non-hunting forest users who want to see deer, elk and a healthier ecosystem and it might be a slam dunk.

Time is critical though..but the ground work will help resist the commissions sure to come harmful rules during publuc comment period.



Does this pic look like blood thirsty kill em all SSS?

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I don't understand your strange, misguided rant.  I'm not vilifying anyone.  I'm asking what points can be raised (by cattlemen or whoever) to sink these nominations.  I'm not that familiar with the Dem senators on the committee - so I'm interested in what appeal could be made.  Writing a bunch of rants to liberal senators about wolves being bad and we cant have these predator lovers on the commission will not accomplish a single thing.  I'm looking for something that could more successfully sink these nominations.  What messages/tactics do the cattlemen have to share that might be successful?  I'm not opposing them, I just don't think their endorsement (or lack of) will mean squat.  They have little political power in this instance in my opinion...but maybe they have some good insights or messages that will resonate - if so, please share.

 

[pianoman9701]

I read what Idahohunter wrote. We often disagree but not this time. He's simply asking how the issues that we care about can be presented to Senate Ds to convince them these are bad choices. I agree.

[Skyvalhunter]

Problem is Cantwell and Murray are both heavily backed by these leaf licking , pro wolf, pro cougar, pro bear groups and they will confirm these two because they come from those groups. So we could demand diversity in the commission and it would fall on deaf ears.

[MR5x5]

You won't affect the mind of a zealot via email.

The peeps at the top are money whores.  The peeps in the middle are useful idiots.

If you don't affect their money, or their sponsors money, you will have no affect.

We all know how to cut off the money, most just aren't willing to go there.  Try it.  Give up on this state for a year.  You'll survive and will have made an actual statement.

Sad, but simple.

[Bushcraft]

Problem is Cantwell and Murray are both heavily backed by these leaf licking , pro wolf, pro cougar, pro bear groups and they will confirm these two because they come from those groups. So we could demand diversity in the commission and it would fall on deaf ears.

I agree with the sentiment, but Cantwell and Murray have nothing to do with these appointments.

State level Senators on the Natural Resources Committee will make that decision.

[Skyvalhunter]

I stand corrected then who is on the Natural resources committee that we should contact and ask for diversity?

[bigtex]

Problem is Cantwell and Murray are both heavily backed by these leaf licking , pro wolf, pro cougar, pro bear groups and they will confirm these two because they come from those groups. So we could demand diversity in the commission and it would fall on deaf ears.

Cantwell and Murray don't have a say in this.

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[emac]

These are the Natural Resource Committee members that will either vote to Recommend or Not Recommend Inslee's appointment nominees.

It's a very safe bet that the Republicans will vote against these radical appointees.  PLEASE DON'T WASTE THEIR TIME.  They are on our side.

Instead, contact the D's and urge them to have Inslee & Co. find better, far more balanced choices for our Commissioners.  Please understand that you will be fighting an uphill battle since the the Chair is a big time animal rights and anti-hunter guy and the Vice Chair is basically a socialist. 

•Senator Andy Billig (D)    Andy.Billig@leg.wa.gov  Senate Majority Leader

Senate Agriculture, Water, Natural Resources & Parks Committee

•Senator Kevin Van De Wege (D)  Kevin.VanDeWege@leg.wa.gov  (Chair)
•Senator Jesse Salomon (D)  Jesse.Salomon@leg.wa.gov (Vice Chair)
•Senator Christine Rolfes (D)  Christine.Rolfes@leg.wa.gov
•Senator Judy Warnick (R)  Judy.Warnick@leg.wa.gov (Ranking Minority Member)
•Senator Shelly Short (R)   Shelly.Short@leg.wa.gov
•Senator Jim Honeyford (R)  Jim.Honeyford@leg.wa.gov

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[bigtex]

I stand corrected then who is on the Natural resources committee that we should contact and ask for diversity?

Already been posted who's on the committee.

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[KFhunter]

I think to have any chance at stopping these appointments there needs to be a set of reasons the Democratic Senators listed above will not support these nominees.  Do we have anything that might appeal to these particular legislators?

Have more luck with livestock producers, love to see you get in bed with cattlemen.

But that is the angle we need.

How will the cattlemen help convince these Dem senators to reject these appointments?  I'm not following your logic.

I don't see how you can't understand cattlemen want responsible wolf management, and so too do hunters.  These new commissioners aren't a step in that direction.  Vilification of other user groups even when goals align is not going to help the end goal of blocking these appointments. 

Stop drinking the "cattlemen are bad" kool-aid..They're a pretty big lobby and pretty big voice when it comes to getting senators' attention. 

Get the timber industry in on it too, andvwe migbt have a chance.

Get non-hunting forest users who want to see deer, elk and a healthier ecosystem and it might be a slam dunk.

Time is critical though..but the ground work will help resist the commissions sure to come harmful rules during publuc comment period.



Does this pic look like blood thirsty kill em all SSS?

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I don't understand your strange, misguided rant.  I'm not vilifying anyone.  I'm asking what points can be raised (by cattlemen or whoever) to sink these nominations.  I'm not that familiar with the Dem senators on the committee - so I'm interested in what appeal could be made.  Writing a bunch of rants to liberal senators about wolves being bad and we cant have these predator lovers on the commission will not accomplish a single thing.  I'm looking for something that could more successfully sink these nominations.  What messages/tactics do the cattlemen have to share that might be successful?  I'm not opposing them, I just don't think their endorsement (or lack of) will mean squat.  They have little political power in this instance in my opinion...but maybe they have some good insights or messages that will resonate - if so, please share.

OK, I may have put the cart before the horse,  as I don't think "we" can sink these nominations.   It's a done deal 

I'm not saying don't bother writing letters, but lets be real here.   It's done, there's no smoking gun.

a multi-user coalition to push back against a litany of new rules that is sure to come is the way forward. 

[Bushcraft]

A coalition of key-priority stakeholders are working together on this and there is lawful precedent that Inslee & Co. seems to have ignored, that legislators should not.

SCI will have the automated online letter submittal up shortly. I've seen the draft and will let you all know when it's live and ready to go.

Thank you.