Pay Attention: Inslee Appoints Radicals to WDFW Commission

[Bushcraft]

Exactly.  The last thing we need is another .org.

We need people to get involved with the ones that already exist.

Here's how to join, and who to join at the national and local level, in this order:

1. The NRA or other similarly powerful organization to protect your gun rights.  Lord knows the anti's are going to be pushing some seriously crappy laws.

2. SCI to protect your hunting rights.  They are the 800 lb. gorilla in this space, are literally right across the street from the Hart Senate building in D.C. (donated by a generous benefactor) and have one of the largest PAC's in D.C. (and that's saying something!)

3. The conservation "critter club" that you have a particular affinity for...RMEF, MDF, WSF, DU, RMGA, etc., etc., etc.  They do great work and need your help.

[Special T]

Exactly.  The last thing we need is another .org.

We need people to get involved with the ones that already exist.

Here's how to join, and who to join at the national and local level, in this order:

1. The NRA or other similarly powerful organization to protect your gun rights.  Lord knows the anti's are going to be pushing some seriously crappy laws.

2. SCI to protect your hunting rights.  They are the 800 lb. gorilla in this space, are literally right across the street from the Hart Senate building in D.C. (donated by a generous benefactor) and have one of the largest PAC's in D.C. (and that's saying something!)

3. The conservation "critter club" that you have a particular affinity for...RMEF, MDF, WSF, DU, RMGA, etc., etc., etc.  They do great work and need your help.

I would substitute any local organization for #3. Washington Waterfowl association, Archery Assocation, a local sportsmens club like Tacoma Sportmen, Wildlife Committee of Washington or....  Conservation groups pretend to care about hunters and juice you. I would buy 2 memberships or up the comittment level to SCI (im not a member) before I would give my money to the likes of DU RMEF or other "conservation" orgs that will do nothing for the bare knuckle street fight we are about to enter. We need as manny scrappy fighters as possible. FYI while Im not a member of SCI I am a member of many others.

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[Bushcraft]

Exactly.  The last thing we need is another .org.

We need people to get involved with the ones that already exist.

Here's how to join, and who to join at the national and local level, in this order:

1. The NRA or other similarly powerful organization to protect your gun rights.  Lord knows the anti's are going to be pushing some seriously crappy laws.

2. SCI to protect your hunting rights.  They are the 800 lb. gorilla in this space, are literally right across the street from the Hart Senate building in D.C. (donated by a generous benefactor) and have one of the largest PAC's in D.C. (and that's saying something!)

3. The conservation "critter club" that you have a particular affinity for...RMEF, MDF, WSF, DU, RMGA, etc., etc., etc.  They do great work and need your help.

I would substitute any local organization for #3. Washington Waterfowl association, Archery Assocation, a local sportsmens club like Tacoma Sportmen, Wildlife Committee of Washington or....  Conservation groups pretend to care about hunters and juice you. I would buy 2 memberships or up the comittment level to SCI (im not a member) before I would give my money to the likes of DU RMEF or other "conservation" orgs that will do nothing for the bare knuckle street fight we are about to enter. We need as manny scrappy fighters as possible. FYI while Im not a member of SCI I am a member of many others.

The gist of my post was that there should be a hierarchy of importance in the order of one's memberships and affiliations. Joining at the 501(c)3 level is great, and everyone should, but they are more or less prohibited from engaging in the heavy lifting that PACs and 501(c)4's can legally do.  Too many people simply engage at #3 (great marketing) and don't realize that their .orgs are not  (and can't legally be), the "scrappy political fighters" they hoped were looking out for all their best interests as hunters. 

Anyway, no offense to you or any of the .orgs you mentioned, but the names I mentioned were those that readily came to mind that are probably most familiar within that particular category of membership.  So, by all means, make that third category whomever you choose at the local level if they cater to your particular interests, but don't neglect the first two.

[Special T]

 

[Humptulips]

Do you think if HHC came up with a price tag to hire a full time lobbyist the money could be raised? Maybe a dedicated fund to support a lobbyist.
In his or her off time they could organize.

[Special T]

Do you think if HHC came up with a price tag to hire a full time lobbyist the money could be raised? Maybe a dedicated fund to support a lobbyist.
In his or her off time they could organize.

I think you would need a part time salesman to come up with the cheddar... and sadly sportsmen will spend money on gear butnotherwise are cheap skates at protecting the heritage.

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[Bushcraft]

Do you think if HHC came up with a price tag to hire a full time lobbyist the money could be raised? Maybe a dedicated fund to support a lobbyist.
In his or her off time they could organize.

We already have one. Well, two actually.

What I was referring to was a full time administrative staff to organize and manage the efforts and interests of sportsmen.

I imagine the annual cost for salary, benefits, etc., for one full-time person would be in the 50-75K depending on experience, and then throw a boat load of travel and lodging expenses on top of that.

[idahohuntr]

I just saw this posted up on FB And thought it was pretty good on this subject.

Washingtonians for Wildlife Conservation
·
We need your help NOW! We need to stop Governor Inslee’s two new appointments to the Fish and Wildlife Commission that may be in violation of RCW 77.04.040. This RCW says that the governor shall seek to maintain a balance reflecting all aspects of fish and wildlife, including representation recommended by organized groups representing sportfishers, commercial fishers, hunters, private landowners, and environmentalists, yet the hunting community was NOT communicated with on these appointments. Contact the following members of the Senate Natural Resources Committee and Senate Majority Leader Andy Billig to retain balance on YOUR Fish and Wildlife Commission.

Senate Majority Leader Andy Billig
https://app.leg.wa.gov/pbc/memberEmail/3/0

Senate Natural Resources Committee
https://leg.wa.gov/.../Commi.../AWNP/Pages/MembersStaff.aspx

The Democrats in the Senate will not be swayed by the argument that  these two are animal-rights extremists.  They dont give a damn about that, in fact, most Democrats feel the same way and Koontz and  Smith do.  Our best arguments lie in the  RCW.

RCW 77.04.040
Commission—Qualifications of members.
Persons  eligible for appointment as members of the commission shall have  general knowledge of the habits and distribution of fish and wildlife  and shall not hold another state, county, or municipal elective or  appointive office. In making these appointments, the governor shall seek  to maintain a balance reflecting all aspects of fish and wildlife,  including representation recommended by organized groups representing  sportfishers, commercial fishers, hunters, private landowners, and  environmentalists. Persons eligible for appointment as fish and wildlife  commissioners shall comply with the provisions of chapters 42.52 and *  42.17 RCW.



1.  When Bob Kehoe was removed from the Commission, he was not replaced with  a person from the commercial fishing industry, now they have no  presentation on the Commission in violation of 77.04.040.

2. The  hunting community, recreational fishing community, and commercial  fishing community was sought out for our recommendation on these to  appointments in violation of RCW 77.04.040.

3. By appointing two  more animal-rights/environmental minded Commissioners it throws the  Commission out of balance in violation of RCW 77.04.040.

4. RCW  77.04.040 was put in place to keep balance on the Commission, so all  Washingtonians have a fair shot at enjoying the outdoors.

The  Commission is the citizens’ representation on wildlife management,  please help us restore fair citizens’’ representation on the Commission.

This does make a reasonable case, but I'm not sure its enough to sink either nomination.

One thought I had - have any folks with connections to Tribes sought out their input on these nominees?  A commission dedicated to protecting predators at all cost could have negative ramifications for treaty tribal harvest of elk and deer...and Tribes have a fair bit of political pull in the Washington Democratic party...

[Bushcraft]

I just saw this posted up on FB And thought it was pretty good on this subject.

Washingtonians for Wildlife Conservation
·
We need your help NOW! We need to stop Governor Inslee’s two new appointments to the Fish and Wildlife Commission that may be in violation of RCW 77.04.040. This RCW says that the governor shall seek to maintain a balance reflecting all aspects of fish and wildlife, including representation recommended by organized groups representing sportfishers, commercial fishers, hunters, private landowners, and environmentalists, yet the hunting community was NOT communicated with on these appointments. Contact the following members of the Senate Natural Resources Committee and Senate Majority Leader Andy Billig to retain balance on YOUR Fish and Wildlife Commission.

Senate Majority Leader Andy Billig
https://app.leg.wa.gov/pbc/memberEmail/3/0

Senate Natural Resources Committee
https://leg.wa.gov/.../Commi.../AWNP/Pages/MembersStaff.aspx

The Democrats in the Senate will not be swayed by the argument that  these two are animal-rights extremists.  They dont give a damn about that, in fact, most Democrats feel the same way and Koontz and  Smith do.  Our best arguments lie in the  RCW.

RCW 77.04.040
Commission—Qualifications of members.
Persons  eligible for appointment as members of the commission shall have  general knowledge of the habits and distribution of fish and wildlife  and shall not hold another state, county, or municipal elective or  appointive office. In making these appointments, the governor shall seek  to maintain a balance reflecting all aspects of fish and wildlife,  including representation recommended by organized groups representing  sportfishers, commercial fishers, hunters, private landowners, and  environmentalists. Persons eligible for appointment as fish and wildlife  commissioners shall comply with the provisions of chapters 42.52 and *  42.17 RCW.



1.  When Bob Kehoe was removed from the Commission, he was not replaced with  a person from the commercial fishing industry, now they have no  presentation on the Commission in violation of 77.04.040.

2. The  hunting community, recreational fishing community, and commercial  fishing community was sought out for our recommendation on these to  appointments in violation of RCW 77.04.040.

3. By appointing two  more animal-rights/environmental minded Commissioners it throws the  Commission out of balance in violation of RCW 77.04.040.

4. RCW  77.04.040 was put in place to keep balance on the Commission, so all  Washingtonians have a fair shot at enjoying the outdoors.

The  Commission is the citizens’ representation on wildlife management,  please help us restore fair citizens’’ representation on the Commission.

This does make a reasonable case, but I'm not sure its enough to sink either nomination.

One thought I had - have any folks with connections to Tribes sought out their input on these nominees?  A commission dedicated to protecting predators at all cost could have negative ramifications for treaty tribal harvest of elk and deer...and Tribes have a fair bit of political pull in the Washington Democratic party...

Answer: Yes.

[idahohuntr]

And?

[Bushcraft]

And?

I can't, and therefore won't, speak for the tribes. Not my place to do so.  If they want to speak out publicly about their stance on the matter, that's their prerogative.

That said, it's my understanding that they strongly prefer to be at the table, not on it.      

[Tinmaniac]

We may actually get more opportunity.In case no one here has been paying attention the conservative agenda of hate isn't going so well.To anyone asking about tribes,they are Federal and you live in a state,wake up.Take a look at Bidens Cabinet,guess who made that possible.Deploribles,you served up your own heads on a silver platter.Liberal America thanks you.

[Special T]

We may actually get more opportunity.In case no one here has been paying attention the conservative agenda of hate isn't going so well.To anyone asking about tribes,they are Federal and you live in a state,wake up.Take a look at Bidens Cabinet,guess who made that possible.Deploribles,you served up your own heads on a silver platter.Liberal America thanks you.

I'm sorry those dots are spaced to far apart for me to connect... what does that have to do with Tribes and comissioners?

[Bushcraft]

We may actually get more opportunity.In case no one here has been paying attention the conservative agenda of hate isn't going so well.To anyone asking about tribes,they are Federal and you live in a state,wake up.Take a look at Bidens Cabinet,guess who made that possible.Deploribles,you served up your own heads on a silver platter.Liberal America thanks you.

And just like that we have a winner for today's most unhinged comment on the forums!

 

[pianoman9701]

We may actually get more opportunity.In case no one here has been paying attention the conservative agenda of hate isn't going so well.To anyone asking about tribes,they are Federal and you live in a state,wake up.Take a look at Bidens Cabinet,guess who made that possible.Deploribles,you served up your own heads on a silver platter.Liberal America thanks you.

And just like that we have a winner for today's most unhinged comment on the forums!

 

He appears to be part of the new, kinder, unifying left. Now we'll have 4 years of peace and harmony because of fine citizens like him.