TT - You're getting as cranky as me, but I sure don't disagree with the WDFW assessments. I have been fall hunting the last two years ... different for sure, but can still be a challenge. Its great to just get out and see a lot of birds and listen to all the keekees, hen chatter, and gobbling. Don't really care about a harvest but it does beat staying home and watching football ! Fun to keekee and watch all of them get excited and come in to help poor old (or is that young) little me. Fun to watch all the jakes mock fighting. Fun when 300+ birds come to within inches of the blind and try looking inside, then start launching over the blind. I guess what I am trying to say

is its what you make of it. If someone is only wanting a grouse hunt, then that's what they'll have. Me, I wanted a more traditional fall hunt with the scatter. Dn't always scatter them, but also have called (keekeeruns and hen assemblies) a lot ... just a different type calling than the spring hunt.