GM to end gas & diesel vehicle production by 2035

[Stein]

Pretty bold statement:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/28/general-motors-plans-to-exclusively-offer-electric-vehicles-by-2035.html

General Motors wants to end production of all diesel- and gasoline-powered cars, trucks and SUVs by 2035 and shift its entire new fleet to electric vehicles as part of a broader plan to become carbon neutral by 2040, the company said Thursday.

[highside74]

Used cars will be a fortune and gas will be unafordable if they all decide to go that route.

Maybe they are just trying to look like they are working on it so the Dems dont just force it on them like California.

[JimmyHoffa]

Must have some real confidence in a battery that will be able to deliver being available by then.

[fishngamereaper]

Pipe dream...

[Stein]

I wonder what that says about development with current ICE engines, are they still working on new models or starting to shut down further development and just running with what they have?  In 5 years they will be left in the dust if their engines don't improve.  Seems like GM wouldn't have the cash to go 100% on both ICE and electric, they have to chose to some degree where to place bets and if they want to be all electric across the entire platform the bet on electric will have to be quite large.

[Hilltop123]

How much hay, will a Chevy Volt haul?

[Special T]

Must have some real confidence in a battery that will be able to deliver being available by then.

The same guy that invented the lithium ion battery has a new silicate one he is working on. He is old as dirt so i hope he figures ut out before he kicks the bucket.

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[Stein]

How much hay, will a Chevy Volt haul?

Tesla Model S has 537 hp and 487 pounds of torque, that's 1/2 the torque of the largest F-350 at zero rpm on a passenger car.  I don't think ICE engines want to pick a fight with electric on torque.  Fuel capacity, yes, but not torque.

Trains, space shuttle crawler, all electric motors when you need raw towing power, the torque from zero can't be beat.  Of course they are powered by diesel generators, but the mover is electric.

It does seem like we need another generational development in electricity storage though to break through what might be a plateau of sorts in who can benefit from electric vehicles.

[Magnum_Willys]

They will end before then - look at the new electric Hummer specs - 1000 hp, 0-60 3 secs,  10 min charge per 100 miles, 400 mile range.   10 times torque of Cummins.

Once affordable trucks like these hit the showrooms 30% of the people will switch so gas will get no new model improvements  and electrics will get better every year - demand for highend gas will disappear.

[hughjorgan]

Making only electric vehicles will never happen. The power grid can’t handle it. Not to mention you’ll still need fossil fuels to generate the power so you can charge these vehicles. The left is stupid as they come.

[JimmyHoffa]

Many times so since they want to get rid of hydro.

[Special T]

The one good thing about eletric is that the "Fuel" is no longer locked into gas/diesel/propane.  If i had a micro hydro plant, steam powered generator or some other way to charge it up I could be completely independent.

As far as the Grid not handling it... Im guessing that lots of chargers would be doing the charging during no peak load times like the middle of the night.

[Magnum_Willys]

If i had a micro hydro plant, steam powered generator or some other way to charge it up I could be completely independent.

Hmmmm - anyone suggest a good wood-fired generator?   Maybe on a trailer to pull to elk camp.  Love this whole new clean energy thing !

[Dan-o]

They will end before then - look at the new electric Hummer specs - 1000 hp, 0-60 3 secs,  10 min charge per 100 miles, 400 mile range.   10 times torque of Cummins.

Once affordable trucks like these hit the showrooms 30% of the people will switch so gas will get no new model improvements  and electrics will get better every year - demand for highend gas will disappear.

I think you're right.

The thought of an electric truck just isn't appealing to most of us...... yet.

When you're towing your 5th wheel up Snoqualmie and the E-trucks are whizzing past you on the left with their 5th wheels, I think some of us old die hards will change our minds.   Plus, E-vehicle technology is improving rapidly.

[baker5150]

Making only electric vehicles will never happen. The power grid can’t handle it. Not to mention you’ll still need fossil fuels to generate the power so you can charge these vehicles. The left is stupid as they come.

This is the issue no one wants to include in their "Net Zero" plan.  Power is simply being taken for granted.

Power companies have been issuing rebates for energy efficiency for decades.  Why?  The grid doesn't have the ability to handle the load.
It's cheaper for them to give you a $500 check for buying an energy efficient appliance, than it is to invest in a grid that can handle the load of less efficient appliances.
Heck, PSE will give you a fridge FOR FREE if your current fridge is old enough, they even deliver, install, and haul off the old one.

They have screwed themselves by not investing in upgrading their own systems.  They see it now, but it might be too late.

We will soon see load shedding devices in all our homes.  We will be forced to install battery banks that can charge in off-peak hours and distribute during on-peak hours.  That is, until the grid can't keep up, and off-peak becomes non existant.  Which WILL happen, since all these cars and battery banks will be forced to charge at night.

The City of Seattle is trying to enact code to require all new domestic water heating to be electric only.  No more natural gas, oil, or propane.  H/P or resistive only.
Meanwhile....  Bonneville, PSE and SCL, and freaking out, knowing fully that they can't handle or keep up with that kind of load.  But they aren't listening.

So again, what will happen?  Load shedding.  You will no longer have control of your own power consumption.

Load shedding is already happening in the San Juans.  Better start looking into Tesla Powerwalls and Solar panels.