GM to end gas & diesel vehicle production by 2035

[baker5150]

Look no further than California that already has brown outs. Now you want every single car to be electric and getting charged daily? 

Most of CA's problems (not including the Enron thing) are from planned outages due to fire danger.

Generation isn't an issue in the US, distributed generation does create some timing challenges, but the utilities will gladly sell you as much electricity as you can take.

That's CA which is a challenging regulatory environment.  In Texas, there are nodes with negative pricing - the utility will pay you to take electricity at certain times of the day because there is so much excess generation on the grid.  Loose regulatory = tons of wind and other types of generation everywhere.  At our facility, we're lucky to get paid 2 cents per kWhr.  Most of the time it's closer to $0.001 wholesale.

Generation will become a MAJOR issue very soon.  It's only a matter of time before the new admin attacks fossil fuel generation the same way Obama did.

Coal and NG make up roughly half of the power generated in the US. 
With regulations scaling back both, and an end game of none, that is a lot of generation that needs to be made up, especially as demand increases.

Damns are being removed, not installed.
Wind and Solar aren't the answer on the larger scale.

The only real answer I see is Nuclear, which we all know is the big scary elephant in the room, that no one wants to talk about. 

[Stein]

Plenty of increase in capacity during Obama years, it is just a question of what the cost of that capacity is, not whether it can be added or not.

With wind, you don't need as much nat gas generation and it's coming online at remarkable rates although slowing.  Offshore will almost certainly get back on track in the next 4 years.

I'm not familiar with coal, but with nat gas, it isn't or won't be banned, but will have more or less regulation which will impact the cost of the electricity but not whether they can build them or not.

Just like what we see with oil extraction, if the cost of electricity jumps, capacity will follow.

How well the feds manage transmission remains to be seen.  You need capacity, transmission and distribution all together.  Right now, transmission is the 800 pound elephant in the room.  Capacity is relatively easy.

[dontgetcrabs]

Well GM sucked at gas and diesel vehicles, so maybe they'll do better at electric. 











    

[huntnphool]

Look no further than California that already has brown outs. Now you want every single car to be electric and getting charged daily? 

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[ballpark]

The one good thing about eletric is that the "Fuel" is no longer locked into gas/diesel/propane.  If i had a micro hydro plant, steam powered generator or some other way to charge it up I could be completely independent.

As far as the Grid not handling it... Im guessing that lots of chargers would be doing the charging during no peak load times like the middle of the night.

How will you generate your steam?

[Stein]

The one good thing about eletric is that the "Fuel" is no longer locked into gas/diesel/propane.  If i had a micro hydro plant, steam powered generator or some other way to charge it up I could be completely independent.

As far as the Grid not handling it... Im guessing that lots of chargers would be doing the charging during no peak load times like the middle of the night.

How will you generate your steam?

Run a pipe to DC? 

It would allow many people to install more PV as they could utilize the electricity to offset the retail price vs selling it to the utility at offset prices or not at all.

If TOU pricing at the retail level gains traction, you could charge off the grid at very low rates.

Fairly soon you will be able to use your EV as part of your backup power system, using the EV battery to power part of the home for some period or to compliment PV, standby generators and dedicated battery storage.

There is also a bunch of fuel cell technology working through the development process, might see more there in a year or two.

[Special T]

The one good thing about eletric is that the "Fuel" is no longer locked into gas/diesel/propane.  If i had a micro hydro plant, steam powered generator or some other way to charge it up I could be completely independent.

As far as the Grid not handling it... Im guessing that lots of chargers would be doing the charging during no peak load times like the middle of the night.

How will you generate your steam?

First off this isnt a "Green" thing for me so the fuel source or how much carbon it produces is zero care to me.  Coal? Firewood? Some combo with geothermal?

I love the fact that in the US we are now oil exporters. Ive always hated the fact that tin pot dictators and religious wackjobs could dictate certain things to us.  Oil is and will continue to be important, but once energy storage makes another leap... like the difference between nicad and lithium... eletric transportation will mean ALL forms of energy production can work.

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[Fl0und3rz]

GLWS.

[follow maggie]

They will end before then - look at the new electric Hummer specs - 1000 hp, 0-60 3 secs,  10 min charge per 100 miles, 400 mile range.   10 times torque of Cummins.

Once affordable trucks like these hit the showrooms 30% of the people will switch so gas will get no new model improvements  and electrics will get better every year - demand for highend gas will disappear.

I think what you’re not taking into consideration is that under high torque applications- like towing- the range drops drastically. They have a really long ways to go on that.  TFL did a towing test with their Tesla and the range was horrible.

If they crack that nut and make it affordable, I’ll buy one.

[CP]

There's going to be a run on generators

[Bunny Thumper]

Just curious, what’s the plan for running our military on windmills?

[Special T]

Just curious, what’s the plan for running our military on windmills?

Mini nuclear reactors!

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[Norman89]

If i had a micro hydro plant, steam powered generator or some other way to charge it up I could be completely independent.

Hmmmm - anyone suggest a good wood-fired generator?   Maybe on a trailer to pull to elk camp.  Love this whole new clean energy thing !

If your really interest, come on over to the dow forum. Information abounds there. I'm already powering my shed and carport off solar and have been for 2 years. Current project is wk gassifier to fuel my toyota for commuting. With fab skills and willingness to sacrifice a little hp, I'll be driving a 70+mpg toyota by years end when running in hybrid mode burning wood and dino, and pure woodgas at cruising speeds. Gassifiers are scarce as hens teeth in Washington state, but I'm just not interested in paying dimslees gas taxes if I can do things my own way. Eventually will be running generator powering the house in the same fashion, ie kiss my *** pse power company. Off grid as can be for cost savings while remaining tied to the grid per washington's no off grid livid bs

[Stein]

Just curious, what’s the plan for running our military on windmills?

Mini nuclear reactors!

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The military are some of the most interested.  I read a paper about the casualties in Iraq and the percentage that were due to fuel convoys being ambushed was pretty eye opening.  Solar, wind, fuel cell, min-reactor, whatever doesn't need a convoy every few days to keep it running.

Many land bases are going towards microgrids so they control their power and aren't reliant on the local grid.

I don't think GM will be 100% electric in 2035, but it's a bold statement that will either be the best or worst idea they have had since 2008.

[Mudman]

As electricity becomes the way to go demand will skyrocket.  Now Solar and wind isnt a mass producer, lol.  I imagine $ saved will be spent on home elect bills instead as cost goes up!  As this happens we will shut down oil/gas and remove hydro damns and ban coal.  Yup it will all work out great.