Equipment changes proposed

[dreamingbig]

The department is proposing to allow electronic range finding bow sights (aka Garmin) and to allow bread crumbs nocks on arrows.

They don’t think either change will result in more animals being harvested.

My question is who is pushing for this change?  I am opposed to both.  They aren’t needed.

They are also proposing to allow video cameras mounted to bows and to allow verifier in peeps.  I am in different on those.

Oh and they want comments to allow scopes on muzzleloaders.  The department is opposed.  They are in favor of 1x scopes.

Comment on the proposals beginning February 11th.


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[D-Rock425]

Video cameras in fine with.  Garmin sight not a fan and a hell no on the nocks. 

[mburrows]

Video cameras in fine with.  Garmin sight not a fan and a hell no on the nocks.

I’m with you on this

[Stein]

I would vote yes for the nocks, no for the sights and who cares for the video camera.

[dreamingbig]

Get your comments ready.  They will be needed.


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[Special T]

I dont think the range finder sights will go anywhere because they will increase harvest rates. The other 2 i dont think will effect harvest, just recovery.

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[dreamingbig]

I dont think the range finder sights will go anywhere because they will increase harvest rates. The other 2 i dont think will effect harvest, just recovery.

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Per the proposal the department supports.  They don’t feel it will increase harvest.


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[vandeman17]

I dont think the range finder sights will go anywhere because they will increase harvest rates. The other 2 i dont think will effect harvest, just recovery.

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Per the proposal the department supports.  They don’t feel it will increase harvest.


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Won't increase harvest? Sounds alot like 1x muzzleloader scopes 

[dreamingbig]

Issue 5: Allow the use of range-finding bow sights on archery equipment
Species: All game species WAC(s): 220-414-070
Background: Currently, it is unlawful for hunters to have any electrical equipment or electric device(s), except for illuminated nocks, attached to the bow or arrow while hunting. It is also unlawful to hunt wildlife with any bow equipped with a scope. The main argument for allowing the use of range-finding bow sights is related to improving the likelihood of a clean and ethical kill. Because the sights do not magnify the target, they also would not qualify as a scope. Of the products reviewed by the Department, the sights simply produce a digital reading of the estimated distance that is visible to the shooter while they are looking at the sight pins. The Department is not opposed to the use of range- finding bow sights because we do not feel it will result in more animals being harvested.
Alternatives:
1. No change.
2. Allow the use of range-finding bow sights on archery equipment


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[vandeman17]

did a quick google search and first range finder bow site that popped up was $799... 

[greenhead_killer]

Where’s my mojo if they’re gonna allow this!?!?

[hughjorgan]

The department is proposing to allow electronic range finding bow sights (aka Garmin) and to allow bread crumbs nocks on arrows.

They don’t think either change will result in more animals being harvested.

My question is who is pushing for this change?  I am opposed to both.  They aren’t needed.

They are also proposing to allow video cameras mounted to bows and to allow verifier in peeps.  I am in different on those.

Oh and they want comments to allow scopes on muzzleloaders.  The department is opposed.  They are in favor of 1x scopes.

Comment on the proposals beginning February 11th.


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The question is what group is pushing for these changes? WSB?

[Special T]

The department is proposing to allow electronic range finding bow sights (aka Garmin) and to allow bread crumbs nocks on arrows.

They don’t think either change will result in more animals being harvested.

My question is who is pushing for this change?  I am opposed to both.  They aren’t needed.

They are also proposing to allow video cameras mounted to bows and to allow verifier in peeps.  I am in different on those.

Oh and they want comments to allow scopes on muzzleloaders.  The department is opposed.  They are in favor of 1x scopes.

Comment on the proposals beginning February 11th.


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The question is what group is pushing for these changes? WSB?

Pretty sure neither the WSAA or the WSB are in favor of range finding Sights. As far as the classifiers for bows and 1x scopes I know the discussion was keeping older hunters around that need to use reading glasses. Since that effects revenue I can almost guarantee that is going to happen.

[dreamingbig]

I am guessing garmin and manufacturers brought it forward.


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[blackveltbowhunter]

 

Whether or not more animals will be harvested is impossible to predict.  Good to see the department has used science based feelings 

What is a possible prediction based on years of bowhunting and input from many others is more shots will be taken.

[NOCK NOCK]

  which equals more kills....and possible wounding.

Folks now can shoot at 150+ yrds and it is a hail mary.  With practice at 150(and a range finding device) it will now become much better odds than a hail mary.

NO THANKS

[dilleytech]

Range finding sights just sound like a way to wound more game. They seem like they would give guys more confidence to shoot further distances. But the sight themselves don’t improve a persons accuracy. Bad shots will still be made.

Rangefinding scopes won’t improve success or total kills? 1x scopes on a muzzy won’t increase the kill or at least hit rate? This state is a joke. They don’t want to improve hunting they are just scrambling to find ways to get more tag sells at all costs.

[Bucks2Ducks]

This state is a joke. They don’t want to improve hunting they are just scrambling to find ways to get more tag sells at all costs.

Right!! I cant believe they are trying to say this carnival crap wont change change harvest rates. Maybe they should look at ID, they don't have to push all this new stuff on hunters to sell tags.

[trophyhunt]

School me on why nocks with bread crumbs is a bad idea?  Honestly I dont even know what that means, maybe you have to have an app on your phone that shows where the arrow is/went?  If thats the case, what is wrong with the best technology out there to find a wounded or dead animal? 

[Stein]

School me on why nocks with bread crumbs is a bad idea?  Honestly I dont even know what that means, maybe you have to have an app on your phone that shows where the arrow is/went?  If thats the case, what is wrong with the best technology out there to find a wounded or dead animal?

Bluetooth I think, you obviously have to be fairly close to find it.  Most agree that it is mostly for tracking the arrow, not the deer as you have to be so close to pick it up on the phone app.

[hunter399]

This state is a joke. They don’t want to improve hunting they are just scrambling to find ways to get more tag sells at all costs.

Right!! I cant believe they are trying to say this carnival crap wont change change harvest rates. Maybe they should look at ID, they don't have to push all this new stuff on hunters to sell tags.

I Agree and glad to see someone eles can see through there BS proposal junk.
I can tell ya WDFW and commission has been told that there actions are disgusting. I've made it very clear if they would just start management of our game animals .They wouldn't have to push some of these proposals to sell tags.
They may sell few more tags this year for about a half minute ,but none of these proposals will change the lack of animals,quality of hunt,and overall experience.
The path we are on is
Make as much money out of the resources .
No concern for sustainable populations for the future of OTC tags.
Then resort all of hunting in Washington State to permit draws and make even more money.

Proposal for spring grouse supports this totally.
Take away from fall hunter to make even more money out of spring permits.
If we as hunters don't start saying something OTC tags in this state will be gone by the time some of our kids start hunting.
It's like chipping away just a little at a time till the permit processes can take over.
Does it remind anybody of any other rights being chipped away?

[hunter399]

nobody finds it a little strange most of these equipment changes are for muzzy and bow hunting,surely it may effect multiseason permit applications.

There was a proposal to lower the caliber for modern to 223.
Haven't heard anything about that one,oh ya that's right it's not gonna fill up the money bags enough so we dropped that one.

[logola512c]

The department is proposing to allow electronic range finding bow sights (aka Garmin) and to allow bread crumbs nocks on arrows.

They don’t think either change will result in more animals being harvested.

My question is who is pushing for this change?  I am opposed to both.  They aren’t needed.

They are also proposing to allow video cameras mounted to bows and to allow verifier in peeps.  I am in different on those.

Oh and they want comments to allow scopes on muzzleloaders.  The department is opposed.  They are in favor of 1x scopes.

Comment on the proposals beginning February 11th.


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The question is what group is pushing for these changes? WSB?

Pretty sure neither the WSAA or the WSB are in favor of range finding Sights. As far as the classifiers for bows and 1x scopes I know the discussion was keeping older hunters around that need to use reading glasses. Since that effects revenue I can almost guarantee that is going to happen.

Ha!  I resemble the reading glasses comment.  Still trying to figure out how to shoot my old favorite 22LR with presbyopia.  Luckily I had about 10000 rounds of old 22LR to play with that I bought pre-pandemic-ammo-hording and realize that iron sights with old eyes is good comedy.  Don't think I'd switch to muzzy though, even if I could put a 1X scope on it. Rather figure out how to just get a wee bit closer and put an arrow through my target. 

[hunter399]

The department is proposing to allow electronic range finding bow sights (aka Garmin) and to allow bread crumbs nocks on arrows.

They don’t think either change will result in more animals being harvested.

My question is who is pushing for this change?  I am opposed to both.  They aren’t needed.

They are also proposing to allow video cameras mounted to bows and to allow verifier in peeps.  I am in different on those.

Oh and they want comments to allow scopes on muzzleloaders.  The department is opposed.  They are in favor of 1x scopes.

Comment on the proposals beginning February 11th.


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The question is what group is pushing for these changes? WSB?

Pretty sure neither the WSAA or the WSB are in favor of range finding Sights. As far as the classifiers for bows and 1x scopes I know the discussion was keeping older hunters around that need to use reading glasses. Since that effects revenue I can almost guarantee that is going to happen.

Ha!  I resemble the reading glasses comment.  Still trying to figure out how to shoot my old favorite 22LR with presbyopia.  Luckily I had about 10000 rounds of old 22LR to play with that I bought pre-pandemic-ammo-hording and realize that iron sights with old eyes is good comedy.  Don't think I'd switch to muzzy though, even if I could put a 1X scope on it. Rather figure out how to just get a wee bit closer and put an arrow through my target.

Most of these proposals have been recommended by a few hunters over the years,WDFW never even considered any of them .But with hunter participation going down every year and huge budget shortfalls in the next few years.
But after all this they think a few equipment changes is gonna save the day.But there biggest problem is hunter taking there money out of state and not hunting this state.
Dumping truck loads of money at animals that are not used as a resource (wolves) ECT. Management of game for opportunity and future of hunting.A budget that only allows the use of money that they accumulate from liences,permits,income they bring in.
They need to drain the swamp of high cost management of animals that bring in NO resources or income. Catering to animal rights groups,and people who have never bought a hunting liences.
Just my view on "why" some of these proposals are important now after hunters have been asking for them for years.

[Newb2020/509]

So reading this post and am new to hunting and couldn't find any of this in the reg book, so did it pass or did we get lucky and it got shut down??

[Special T]

So reading this post and am new to hunting and couldn't find any of this in the reg book, so did it pass or did we get lucky and it got shut down??

All changes werr kicked down the road  a year.

[Russ McDonald]

So reading this post and am new to hunting and couldn't find any of this in the reg book, so did it pass or did we get lucky and it got shut down??

All changes werr kicked down the road  a year.

Actually after talking with WDFW it got kicked down to the next 3 year plan.  The commission said that if they are going to do it next year than they need to change the whole plan to do that.  So the next 3 year plan these will come up again.  At least that is what I was told.

[BUTTER]

No to the sights.

[Jingles]

As far as bread crumb why not just put a spinning reel on you stabilizer with 150 yards of 10 pound flouresent fishing  attached to your arrow?

[logola512c]

As far as bread crumb why not just put a spinning reel on you stabilizer with 150 yards of 10 pound flouresent fishing  attached to your arrow?

No way that would work with mono.  But braid...  Braid can do anything.  Literally anything...   

[Special T]

As far as bread crumb why not just put a spinning reel on you stabilizer with 150 yards of 10 pound flouresent fishing  attached to your arrow?

It works great on carp!

[Browndawg]

Yes to the bow sight.

It will help get a better shot and quicker kill. Harvest statistics will increase on paper, but the when you report, they don't ask if you wounded an animal. Most people that wound one do not end their hunt. They go out and try again and some of them are successful, meaning two dead animals, one reported harvest. With better range finding capabilities it allows an archer to be more accurate at the moment of the shot because they're not guessing the range to the target. It does not make them a better shooter however. So the comments that these sights will compell people to take longer shots, which will lead to more wounded game, makes no sense to me. One still has to have perfect skill, technique, arrow setup and bow setup to accomplish such a task. Archers will still only shoot at distances they feel most comfortable with for a clean, quick kill, with a rapid recovery.

[Jingles]

Archers will still only shoot at distances they feel most comfortable with for a clean, quick kill, with a

Hate to disagree with that statement  as you are painting
All bow hunters with a very broad brush stroke  should

Ethical Archers will still only shoot at distances they feel most comfortable with for a clean, quick kill, with a rapid recovery.

And anyone with eyes and a minimal amount of gray matter knows there are Archers out there that lob arrows 60 80 yards and think they are William Tell

[pianoman9701]

There will always be hunters who hunt ethically and those who don't, regardless of method preferred. Usually, lack of ethics will result with mistakes in the field. Too far with a bow, or ML or rifle. Moving target with either. Shooting through brush, hoping to get a kill shot. It makes no difference. Lack of ethics is lack of ethics.