Right, but I'm relying on someone with not that good of memory after getting to know her and talking bout her husband and their love of archery. Some of the stories she told changed my mind on her accuracy for dates and where the stuff came from. She gave me an old Martin arrow box full of arrows. Some old Bear arrows and some custom made ones as well. That was a good read on Bill Stewart too! I was not aware of how much he had done for the sport! All these guys who did so much for archery over the years! Right here in Washington State! Anyone else with info on these old bowyers chime in with what you know!