Who's doing keto?

[KFhunter]

From your mayo clinic article

Carbohydrates are your body's main fuel source. During digestion, sugars and starches are broken down into simple sugars. They're then absorbed into your bloodstream, where they're known as blood sugar (blood glucose).

From there, glucose enters your body's cells with the help of insulin. Glucose is used by your body for energy, and fuels all of your activities — whether it's going for a jog or simply breathing. Extra glucose is stored in your liver, muscles and other cells for later use, or is converted to fat.

If you have insulin resistance this can create a cascading carb intake problem, since insulin unlocks a cell for glucose uptake, but is resistant to insulin, that glocose floats around unused, your pancreas creates more and more insulin to combat it, and your kidneys start dumping it, and you end up drinking more water.  Your on your way to diabetes.  So keto limits glucose in your blood,  and fasting depletes it from your liver where it's stored.

Over time your cells can reset insulin sensitivity, which means you need less insulin for your cells to take in glucose.

That's my main goal with this.

If I keep eating carbs I'll end up with diabetes, I can slow the process by eating better and exercising more, but it'll still progress.

This keto + fasting is a big giant reset button.

[vandeman17]

True we don't need it, but it doesn't need to be demonized if its clean and the person isn't trying to cure a metabolic disorder.

Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk

https://www.mayoclinic.org/carbohydrates/art-20045705/in-depth/art-20045705

That's exactly what I'm talking about. That's completely wrong information. In my opinion. But for a person who exercises regularly and especially if they're relatively young, then eating a high carb diet is fine. But a low carb, high fat diet would probably still be better.

Completely wrong because it goes against what you believe to be true. For every study that says people don't need carbs, there will be one that promotes the benefits of carbs. How about Harvard studies? Are they wrong too?

"Carbohydrates are a major source of fuel and nutrients for our bodies. They should be part of a healthy diet, even when the goal is to lose weight. When adding carbohydrates, pay attention to portion size; choose whole fruits and make it a whole grain!"

https://www.health.harvard.edu/diet-and-weight-loss/carbohydrates--good-or-bad-for-you

[vandeman17]

From your mayo clinic article

Carbohydrates are your body's main fuel source. During digestion, sugars and starches are broken down into simple sugars. They're then absorbed into your bloodstream, where they're known as blood sugar (blood glucose).

From there, glucose enters your body's cells with the help of insulin. Glucose is used by your body for energy, and fuels all of your activities — whether it's going for a jog or simply breathing. Extra glucose is stored in your liver, muscles and other cells for later use, or is converted to fat.

If you have insulin resistance this can create a cascading carb intake problem, since insulin unlocks a cell for glucose uptake, but is resistant to insulin, that glocose floats around unused, your pancreas creates more and more insulin to combat it, and your kidneys start dumping it, and you end up drinking more water.  Your on your way to diabetes.  So keto limits glucose in your blood,  and fasting depletes it from your liver where it's stored.

Over time your cells can reset insulin sensitivity, which means you need less insulin for your cells to take in glucose.

That's my main goal with this.

Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk

A good goal to have. Again, I am not against keto when done for the right reasons and purposes. Its the demonization of carbs and also the perception that keto is some miracle weight loss approach that I don't agree with. This is my opinion and based on hours and hours of reading over the years because I have nothing better to do with my time. 

[bobcat]

Just the fact that they're recommending that people eat fruit makes everything else they say suspect. Fruit is nothing but sugar, which our bodies don't need. Another one is milk. Especially reduced fat milk. It's the same as drinking sugar. There's tons of bad information out there, from sources that you would think should be reliable.

[vandeman17]

Just the fact that they're recommending that people eat fruit makes everything else they say suspect. Fruit is nothing but sugar, which our bodies don't need. Another one is milk. Especially reduced fat milk. It's the same as drinking sugar. There's tons of bad information out there, from sources that you would think should be reliable.

Humans shouldn't consume fruit? You do know that sugar in fruit is natural sugars right?

"A diet rich in vegetables and fruits can lower blood pressure, reduce the risk of heart disease and stroke, prevent some types of cancer, lower risk of eye and digestive problems, and have a positive effect upon blood sugar, which can help keep appetite in check. Eating non-starchy vegetables and fruits like apples, pears, and green leafy vegetables may even promote weight loss. [1] Their low glycemic loads prevent blood sugar spikes that can increase hunger."

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/vegetables-and-fruits/

[bobcat]

Like I said, there's tons of misinformation out there.

Just try a keto diet for 6 weeks. Then you'll know if it's right for you or not. It's easy to do. No fruit, no milk, no fruit juice, no pasta, no bread, no rice, no potatoes. That about covers it. Oh, almost forgot, absolutely no sugar. Try it.

[pianoman9701]

Just the fact that they're recommending that people eat fruit makes everything else they say suspect. Fruit is nothing but sugar, which our bodies don't need. Another one is milk. Especially reduced fat milk. It's the same as drinking sugar. There's tons of bad information out there, from sources that you would think should be reliable.

Humans shouldn't consume fruit? You do know that sugar in fruit is natural sugars right?

"A diet rich in vegetables and fruits can lower blood pressure, reduce the risk of heart disease and stroke, prevent some types of cancer, lower risk of eye and digestive problems, and have a positive effect upon blood sugar, which can help keep appetite in check. Eating non-starchy vegetables and fruits like apples, pears, and green leafy vegetables may even promote weight loss. [1] Their low glycemic loads prevent blood sugar spikes that can increase hunger."

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/vegetables-and-fruits/

The problem is that ketosis is only achieved by cutting sugars/carbs. Ketosis is what eats up the fat in your body. If you eat fruit, then your body doesn't go into ketosis. Yeah, the food pyramid came from Harvard too, and it's wrong. A strict keto diet can help the body deal with diabetes on its own, lower cholesterol, lower blood pressure, lower fat index, increase energy, lower joint pain.

[vandeman17]

Like I said, there's tons of misinformation out there.

Just try a keto diet for 6 weeks. Then you'll know if it's right for you or not. It's easy to do. No fruit, no milk, no fruit juice, no pasta, no bread, no rice, no potatoes. That about covers it. Oh, almost forgot, absolutely no sugar. Try it.

Your misinformation is other's information. How about the American Heart Association. Are they misinformation?

"So when it comes to carbohydrates follow these recommendations:
Limit foods that are high in processed, refined simple sugars provide calories but they have very little nutrition.
 
Get more complex carbohydrates and healthy nutrients by eating more fruits and vegetables.
 
Focus on whole-grain rice, breads and cereals, and don’t forget the legumes — beans, lentils and dried peas."

https://www.heart.org/en/healthy-living/healthy-eating/eat-smart/nutrition-basics/carbohydrates

Also, I want to note to everyone that this is NOTHING personal and purely a debate I am enjoying.

[bobcat]

Yes, the American Heart Association gives terrible advice. So does our federal government. Which is why they're feeding kids in our schools a very unhealthy, high carb and high processed food diet. Another one is the American Diabetes Association. They also give people the wrong advice. Then look at doctors- putting their type 2 diabetes patients on insulin or other medication and only making the problem get progressively worse over time, when all these people need to do is change their diet and reverse the diabetes.

[Cougartail]

Eating the Keto diet lowers your bodies PH and increases levels of uric acid and other compounds. Never do Keto if you have gout! It also increases your chance of diabetes and kidney failure.

I'm not a doctor but I've played one in my younger years with some gals..

[bobcat]

Eating the Keto diet lowers your bodies PH and increases levels of uric acid and other compounds. Never do Keto if you have gout! It also increases your chance of diabetes and kidney failure.

I'm not a doctor but I've played one in my younger years with some gals..

None of that is true. Not sure where you got your information. A keto diet is how you reverse diabetes.

[bobcat]

Look up a book called "Lies My Doctor Told Me" by Ken Berry.

Here's a description of the book from Amazon:

Description
Product Description
Has your doctor lied to you?

Eat low-fat and high-carb, including plenty of “healthy” whole grains—does that sound familiar? Perhaps this is what you were told at your last doctor’s appointment or visit with a nutritionist, or perhaps it is something you read online when searching for a healthy diet. And perhaps you’ve been misled. Dr. Ken Berry is here to dispel the myths and misinformation that have been perpetuated by the medical and food industries for decades.

This updated and expanded edition of Dr. Berry’s bestseller Lies My Doctor Told Me exposes the truth behind all kinds of “lies” told by well-meaning but misinformed medical practitioners. Nutritional therapy is often overlooked in medical school, and the information provided to physicians is often outdated. However, the negative consequences on your health remain the same. Advice to avoid healthy fats and stay out of the sun has been proven to be detrimental to longevity and wreak havoc on your system. In this book, Dr. Berry will enlighten you about nutrition and life choices, their role in our health, and how to begin an educated conversation with your doctor about finding the right path for you.

This book will teach you:

how doctors are taught to think about nutrition and other preventative health measures, and how they should be thinking
how the Food Pyramid and MyPlate came into existence and why they should change
the facts about fat intake and heart health
the truth about the effects of whole wheat on the human body
the role of dairy in your diet
the truth about salt—friend or foe?
the dangers and benefits of hormone therapy
new information about inflammation and how it should be viewed by doctors

Come out of the darkness and let Ken Berry be your guide to optimal health and harmony!
About the Author
Ken D Berry, MD is a Board-Certified Family Physician practicing in a small town in rural America. After practicing more than a decade, and seeing more than 20,000 patients, Dr. Berry has seen the best and the worst that is American medical practice. He is a lucky husband, proud father and full-time practicing doctor. Dr Berry and his beautiful wife Neisha live on their farm in Tennessee.

[vandeman17]

Yes, the American Heart Association gives terrible advice. So does our federal government. Which is why they're feeding kids in our schools a very unhealthy, high carb and high processed food diet. Another one is the American Diabetes Association. They also give people the wrong advice. Then look at doctors- putting their type 2 diabetes patients on insulin or other medication and only making the problem get progressively worse over time, when all these people need to do is change their diet and reverse the diabetes.

That sure sounds like cherry picking to me. Tons of respected and established medical establishments are all full of misinformation that you are positive is false yet the links and books you supply are gospel? Are you seeing the hypocrisy of this?

[Cougartail]

Eating the Keto diet lowers your bodies PH and increases levels of uric acid and other compounds. Never do Keto if you have gout! It also increases your chance of diabetes and kidney failure.

I'm not a doctor but I've played one in my younger years with some gals..

None of that is true. Not sure where you got your information. A keto diet is how you reverse diabetes.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/symptoms/17808-high-uric-acid-level

[pianoman9701]

Yes, the American Heart Association gives terrible advice. So does our federal government. Which is why they're feeding kids in our schools a very unhealthy, high carb and high processed food diet. Another one is the American Diabetes Association. They also give people the wrong advice. Then look at doctors- putting their type 2 diabetes patients on insulin or other medication and only making the problem get progressively worse over time, when all these people need to do is change their diet and reverse the diabetes.

That sure sounds like cherry picking to me. Tons of respected and established medical establishments are all full of misinformation that you are positive is false yet the links and books you supply are gospel? Are you seeing the hypocrisy of this?

Keto isn't for everyone. Either is fruits, nuts, and tofu. If you're not interested, ok.