PREDATOR/PREY Project

[hunter399]

What you all think of this..........

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Several good folks working on that.

[hunter399]

Several good folks working on that.

I seen that

[KFhunter]

Nice production.


I get a ticket if I ride my atv without a helmet.

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A couple that aren't so great as well.

[KFhunter]

I have zero hope that

1) the study will show the true scope of depredation and ungulate decline

2) that what excess depredations is shown will be addressed appropriately

3) that predator hunting will be increased and prioritized over reducing opportunities for hunters

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[hunter399]

I have zero hope that

1) the study will show the true scope of depredation and ungulate decline

2) that what excess depredations is shown will be addressed appropriately

3) that predator hunting will be increased and prioritized over reducing opportunities for hunters

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I was waiting for someone to post what I was thinking.
Pretty spot on KF.

[hunter399]

To add I'm pretty sure they have data, we just got cougar quotas raised last year.
Not release any data to the public in till 2022.
 

[bullfever]

Thanks for sharing.

[Special T]

Cool video... But Im going to be a bit of a Buz kill.
 ID which covers the roughly rocky mountain region, Pretty much everything east of the Columbia river, has been studied by ID for the las 20 years. It appears that WA is attempting to duplicate those studies. This is both good and bad. Good because ID pretty much has the answers we need AND we need those same kinds of studies to fight the antis... Bad because the Colville Tribe already hired the UW bio to do the reservation studies both on the rez and the north half. When he was hired by the WDFW he was hambstrung by the department. I hold out hope that this study has the same findings, but doubt it. I personally wish so much tribal hate didnt exist because Tribes are consumptive users like sportsmen.

[KFhunter]

I notice the study didn't include the north half, the area declared by the tribe as a biological desert.

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[hunter399]

I don't want to ridicule the study to much.
It's kinda a change to see some scientific stuff going on.
Some of these long term study.,I wouldn't mind seeing like a yearly progress report on the project as it goes along.
Instead of waiting 5-6 years to look at a huge book of what the results are.

I'm almost sure when I see results I'll change my mind on the ridicule part. But I guess we will see.

I guess we will find out if wolves eat deer,elk,moose.
 
Something tells me this study says they don't.
 

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I don't want to ridicule the study to much.
It's kinda a change to see some scientific stuff going on.
Some of these long term study.,I wouldn't mind seeing like a yearly progress report on the project as it goes along.
Instead of waiting 5-6 years to look at a huge book of what the results are.

I'm almost sure when I see results I'll change my mind on the ridicule part. But I guess we will see.

I guess we will find out if wolves eat deer,elk,moose.
 
Something tells me this study says they don't.
 

This gets a little frustrating and often leads me to not engaging in topics. This study  is a step, a step that took a lot of poking and prodding to get to. Most of that was not on behalf of the pro wolf community. So is it right to question the results before knowing anything?  I will say that I have faith in the lead. That faith does not mean that it'll be what armchair quarterbacks will not critique it in a self serving thought process. That faith means that we will be far more informed after the study than before. Another thing I look forward to seeing out of this study is not conclusions but data gaps. The more data gaps we are able to identify the more we can  fill. Right now we are at a severe deficit in regards to pro wolf vs unbiased data. 

[KFhunter]

I hope that this lead will let folks know if the data is not used properly by WDFW.

My lack of faith is not with the people doing the study (both good and not so good by your words) but in WDFW utilizing it properly.


Most of that lack of faith is due to Inslee,  he's already torpedoed meaningful change.

So I hope this lead...doesn't take it personally when this topic is bashed, it's because of WDFW as a whole not as individuals.

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I hope that this lead will let folks know if the data is not used properly by WDFW.

My lack of faith is not with the people doing the study (both good and not so good by your words) but in WDFW utilizing it properly.


Most of that lack of faith is due to Inslee,  he's already torpedoed meaningful change.

So I hope this lead...doesn't take it personally when this topic is bashed, it's because of WDFW as a whole not as individuals.

Excellent point and solid grounds to support the study (or data in general). He shoots from the poll booth quite a bit but the data out there is often done with a pre determined pro wolf contingent. Any remotely unbiased data should be supported. Due to the intent of this study I like the chance of it producing some value.