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Muzzle loader help!!!
« on: April 03, 2021, 10:55:48 AM »
So I picked up a Rem 700 ML today. It’s older that takes the musket 11 caps not the newer ultimate. Anyways how do I know what powders and how much to use? Also what’s a decent deer bullet to use? It will be upgraded to 209 by opening day.

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Re: Muzzle loader help!!!
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2021, 03:19:09 PM »
I wouldnt worry about the 209s. Use RWS #11 caps and your good to go. I would start with 110 grains of 777 and some barnes 250 grain bullets if your only chasing deer or some lehigh defense somewhere around 260 grain bullets or heavier if your wanting to hunt elk also.

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Re: Muzzle loader help!!!
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2021, 03:40:31 PM »
I converted mine to 209 using the Arrowhead kit 

https://www.arrowheadrifles.com/

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Re: Muzzle loader help!!!
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2021, 03:43:57 PM »
I wouldnt worry about the 209s. Use RWS #11 caps and your good to go. I would start with 110 grains of 777 and some barnes 250 grain bullets if your only chasing deer or some lehigh defense somewhere around 260 grain bullets or heavier if your wanting to hunt elk also.
Assuming your saying Hodgson triple 7. Does it matter if I use pellets or or not? Would it matter?

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Re: Muzzle loader help!!!
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2021, 03:47:05 PM »
Stay away from pellets. Cant dial in a load. Draw moisture easier, harder to ignite. Either FFG or FFFG powder.

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Re: Muzzle loader help!!!
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2021, 03:48:50 PM »
And yes. Hogdon 777

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Re: Muzzle loader help!!!
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2021, 03:53:57 PM »
Now to find #11 caps on stock somewhere is another story. Found the powder pretty easy.

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Re: Muzzle loader help!!!
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2021, 04:56:42 PM »
Now to find #11 caps on stock somewhere is another story. Found the powder pretty easy.

I think I have a bunch.

I no longer use them. 

If they are legal to ship, I can mail 'em to you. 

No need to buy them.   I no longer need them.
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Re: Muzzle loader help!!!
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2021, 05:02:56 PM »
Check the internet for an user guide for your rifle and it will have a lot of loading data which will be a safe starting point.  If your looking for #11 percussion caps send me a pm.   Good luck and have fun.

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Re: Muzzle loader help!!!
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2021, 05:09:13 PM »
Any black powder substitute up to 150 grains will work fine.  Don't exceed 150 grains.....most often 90-120 grains will work the best.  Find a good 250 grain saboted bullet and get to shooting.  209 primers are nice but definitely not needed.  Nice muzzy.....as a point of reference for the future, the ramrod is a different diameter than standard muzzy ramrods.  If you loose, break, shoot your ramrod....it can be more difficult to find another.  May be worth picking a spare up to have on hand.

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Re: Muzzle loader help!!!
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2021, 05:58:52 PM »
Stay away from pellets. Cant dial in a load. Draw moisture easier, harder to ignite. Either FFG or FFFG powder.
I never had problems with 150 grn of pellets after i changed primer and accuracy in my cva was 2in at 100 guess i got lucky

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Re: Muzzle loader help!!!
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2021, 08:24:21 PM »
Remington recommends 120 gr FFG MAX.  I use 110 gr FFFG T7 with 290 TEZ Barnes.

I uploaded the manual for the rifle.  https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,233172.msg3110852.html#msg3110852

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Re: Muzzle loader help!!!
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2021, 09:12:08 PM »
Stay away from pellets. Cant dial in a load. Draw moisture easier, harder to ignite. Either FFG or FFFG powder.
I never had problems with 150 grn of pellets after i changed primer and accuracy in my cva was 2in at 100 guess i got lucky

Sorry, poor wording on my part. Your right. Sometimes the pellets have exactly what you need for the right load. More often its easier to get the right load with powder.

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Re: Muzzle loader help!!!
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2021, 09:07:37 AM »
I converted mine to 209 using the Arrowhead kit 

https://www.arrowheadrifles.com/
I can’t find the kit listed on their website. Do you remember how much it was?

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Re: Muzzle loader help!!!
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2021, 09:20:28 AM »
About $125?

I bought from Arrowhead, but these are the instructions for the kit.

https://www.badgerridgeind.com/store/p10/700ML_KIT.html

Arrowhead still had parts to sell.  I called him to order, but that has been over a year ago.
« Last Edit: April 04, 2021, 09:43:14 AM by usmc74 »

 


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