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Read the hunting regulations the other day now that they are in the stores. New rule for this year, NO HUNTING COYOTES WITH DOGS. I am 50/50 on this one. The reason i am for it is because their are a lot of illegal hound hunters out their and believe me, i have run across a few while out in the woods, and when i ask them what they would be hunting with hounds in Washington, it never fails i always get COYOTES. Now their excuse is over. But on the other hand, although i dont hunt with dogs, I now of guys in Oregon that use them when they set up to call and use them as decoy dogs and it works great. So i quess to me the change doesn't mean much, but was wanting everyone elses thoughts.
Guess I can forget that plan. I was going to train my dog to lay quietly by my side while I was calling so he could watch my back for a sneaky cat coming in behind me.
I know some people use gray hounds. and litterly run them down
Quote from: jdb on April 22, 2009, 06:16:41 PMI know some people use gray hounds. and litterly run them down Several breeds of sight hound were created to course wolves....irish wolfhound and bozoi are two of the breeds most well known. In russia they still hunt wolves with borzoi there are a few videos out there if you do some searching. All the sight hounds are meant to course game be it deer, jackrabbits, gazelles etc..... its in their gene's and you cannot stop them.... I would love to open field course jacks some day with a sight hound. Having had a borzoi who hated coyotes I know they are effective...it is really sad to see hunting methods disappear due to HSUS/peta agenda's.... they are winning the war by dividing all of us and then whittling away our rights taking one here and one there..... we have to stop arguing amongst ourselves and just say NO...no more hunting restrictions that have nothing to do with actual management.
Quote from: runamuk on April 22, 2009, 06:25:18 PMQuote from: jdb on April 22, 2009, 06:16:41 PMI know some people use gray hounds. and litterly run them down Several breeds of sight hound were created to course wolves....irish wolfhound and bozoi are two of the breeds most well known. In russia they still hunt wolves with borzoi there are a few videos out there if you do some searching. All the sight hounds are meant to course game be it deer, jackrabbits, gazelles etc..... its in their gene's and you cannot stop them.... I would love to open field course jacks some day with a sight hound. Having had a borzoi who hated coyotes I know they are effective...it is really sad to see hunting methods disappear due to HSUS/peta agenda's.... they are winning the war by dividing all of us and then whittling away our rights taking one here and one there..... we have to stop arguing amongst ourselves and just say NO...no more hunting restrictions that have nothing to do with actual management. well said. But I think we divide ourselves more than they do.
Well, this is just a bunch of bs. My son takes his chocolate lab predator hunting all the time. Just for it's eyes and nose. He has shot a LOT of coyotes that he wouldn't have even known were there except his dog was staring into the brush and growling. I've raised him to be a law abiding hunter and person, but I'm not going to even tell him about this. At least he can honestly play ignorant if he ever gets caught. This really ticks me off.
Why do you call these guys *censored*s. Hound hunting would still be legal in this state if it wasn't for all the treehuggers in western Washington . When the anti's get bow hunting banned because they convince the general public that it is unethical, are you gonna call people who still try to bow hunt *censored*s? No hard feelings furbearer, just my opinion.
Quote from: SWHUNTER on April 22, 2009, 09:33:53 PMWhy do you call these guys *censored*s. Hound hunting would still be legal in this state if it wasn't for all the treehuggers in western Washington . When the anti's get bow hunting banned because they convince the general public that it is unethical, are you gonna call people who still try to bow hunt *censored*s? No hard feelings furbearer, just my opinion.Just call them poachers. Simplify things.I'm against the new dog ban, just like I was against the hound ban and the baiting ban, just like I'm against the tighter lion seasons, and the other convoluted crap WDFW is throwing down to justify their existance... but poaching is poaching, and someone doing it is a "Poacher." Plain and simple. I won't do it, and as a dedicated law-abiding caller, I don't have to sit by and compete with poachers... grab the phone, grab the camera... Burn 'Em. Immediately. Every Time.You don't get laws changed by sneaking around breaking them.
CastleRocker, i would let your son in on it because it is not proving anything to let him get a ticket or have his gun and dog confiscated. Earlier someone asked if i saw the hound hunters do something illegal or just assume and yes I saw them, confronted them, and it almost got out of hand. I watched as they went through a gate that is designated as walk in only and shut it behind them but not lock it so they could get out. They must of had someone open it for them the night before because they just pulled up, reached underneath the lock and took it off without a key. My buddy watched them go down a road that we knew was a dead end so we waited for them. When they came back we stopped them in the road with the dogs on their boxes and asked what they were doing. "Hunting coyotes with a Weyco permit" the first one said really sarcastically. He then told us to get the hell out of the way. Next his buddy drove up with his dogs on the box and told us that "he didn't need to explain anything to us because we were nobody." This was just the first time of many. After talking to the local game warden about it the next week, he said they were lying and he knew who they were and they had no right being there at all. The bad thing about it was I was going coyote hunting myself and had my video camera in my backpack and forgot about it, i could have filmed these *censored*s and really screwed up their plans.
At one of these meetings in Issaqua a houndsman asked a woman while she was speaking," What's the difference between me running bear and a guy flushing pheasant with a dog"....Her reply," Don't worry once we get you they'll be next".
next year we will hunting bear in the month of august it will be gone. i'll be calling bear's with the bowhunter's then in sept. :yike:and i wont care then. soon we will be all fighting. them wording the hound thing that way is very very scary. calling cougar and bear is unethical. not enough of them. Rick
CastleRocker, i would let your son in on it because it is not proving anything to let him get a ticket or have his gun and dog confiscated.
So can I carry both while hunting? Will us archery hunters have to wear blaze orange too?
I don't see a game warden giving a ticket to a guy who happens to have a dog with him while coyote hunting. There is no law against having a dog with you. The law is that you can't hunt coyotes with hounds. Totally different thing. I would continue to bring the lab along if that's what I had always done. The intent of the law is to prevent hound hunters from chasing coyotes, or using that as an excuse when they are really after other animals like cougars or bobcats. To have a dog with you while calling coyotes, a dog that is not a hound, and does not chase them, is not or should not be a violation of the new stupid law. Just my
Hey swhunter, i called these guys *censored*s because they were *censored*s not because they were hound hunting so quit being so defensive. We simply asked them what they were doing the weekend before deer season driving around in a walk-in area with walker hounds on the truck. I am not dumb and was not confrentational until they blew up and lied by saying "coyote hunting with a depridation permit." That is why i called them *censored*s, i am not against LEGAL houndhunting at all and I agree with the fact that this is a problem were are experiencing.Hey adnahoundsman, if you read what i wrote in my post you will see that the way i know they weren't hunting bear on a depridation tag is because when i asked what they were hunting they yelled at me instantly and said "coyotes on a depridation tag." It sounds to me that their are a lot of people who are very defensive on this site because they are not even reading what i wrote before they jump all over it. Once again I am not at all opposed to LEGAL houndhunting i think it is a very respectable way to hunt if done with the upmost respect for the game and the hounds themself. I also know they were not hunting bears because like i also said, i talked to the local game warden the next week and he said that weyco had no tags out at that time and he knew those guys and they were not hired hunters by weyco anyway.
Your sidearm would have to be of a legal caliber to harvest a bear. no 9mm or 357
Quote from: bobcat on April 23, 2009, 07:32:38 PMI don't see a game warden giving a ticket to a guy who happens to have a dog with him while coyote hunting. There is no law against having a dog with you. The law is that you can't hunt coyotes with hounds. Totally different thing. I would continue to bring the lab along if that's what I had always done. The intent of the law is to prevent hound hunters from chasing coyotes, or using that as an excuse when they are really after other animals like cougars or bobcats. To have a dog with you while calling coyotes, a dog that is not a hound, and does not chase them, is not or should not be a violation of the new stupid law. Just my Not exactly true my friend, decoying is also illegal, doesn't say a thing about HOUNDS, it says coyote cannot be hunted with dogs. We specifically asked about decoying and was told it is illegal. That gives some hard @$$ GW alot of leeway. You run into the wrong guy on the wrong day and you can be cited. Say your out upland bird hunting and a yote bust out, bang, dead, citation.I tell you fellas was infuriates me, they say we had to do it because the legislature would have gotten involved and oooohhh you poor dumb@$$ hunters don't want the legislature getting involved. Well here is the deal WDFW (I sure hope you are reading this) If the legislature gets involved and passes silly regulations then the public have some sort of recourse, we can vote their sorry asses out (granted, not likely to happen here in lil kalifornia) but we have recourse. What you just did by deaming this "socially unacceptable" is take all recourse out of the publics hands, no voter initiative, nothing. You did PETAs work for them FREE of FRICKEN charge. This may have come to pass on it's own either by voter initative or the legislative process, but we would have been allowed to fight it. We have no recourse now but to bitch and moan.
Now it seems that the WDFW is against hunters too. I would have bitched about a hunting with dogs for coyote Initiative......it probably would have passed by Initiative; but I'd rather be pissed at the tree huggers in Seattle than the WDFW. WDFW should not be taking opportunity away, unless for biological reasons.
WDFW should not be taking opportunity away, unless for biological reasons.
