No coyotes with dogs...

[CastleRocker]

Well, this is just a bunch of bs.  My son takes his chocolate lab predator hunting all the time.  Just for it's eyes and nose.  He has shot a LOT of coyotes that he wouldn't have even known were there except his dog was staring into the brush and growling.  I've raised him to be a law abiding hunter and person, but I'm not going to even tell him about this.  At least he can honestly play ignorant if he ever gets caught.  This really ticks me off.

[billythekidrock]

Well, this is just a bunch of bs.  My son takes his chocolate lab predator hunting all the time.  Just for it's eyes and nose.  He has shot a LOT of coyotes that he wouldn't have even known were there except his dog was staring into the brush and growling.  I've raised him to be a law abiding hunter and person, but I'm not going to even tell him about this.  At least he can honestly play ignorant if he ever gets caught.  This really ticks me off.

Ignorance is no excuse and it would be a disservice to your son not to tell him.

[furbearer365]

CastleRocker, i would let your son in on it because it is not proving anything to let him get a ticket or have his gun and dog confiscated. 

Earlier someone asked if i saw the hound hunters do something illegal or just assume and yes I saw them, confronted them, and it almost got out of hand.  I watched as they went through a gate that is designated as walk in only and shut it behind them but not lock it so they could get out.  They must of had someone open it for them the night before because they just pulled up, reached underneath the lock and took it off without a key.  My buddy watched them go down a road that we knew was a dead end so we waited for them.  When they came back we stopped them in the road with the dogs on their boxes and asked what they were doing.  "Hunting coyotes with a Weyco permit" the first one said really sarcastically.  He then told us to get the hell out of the way.  Next his buddy drove up with his dogs on the box and told us that "he didn't need to explain anything to us because we were nobody."  This was just the first time of many.  After talking to the local game warden about it the next week, he said they were lying and he knew who they were and they had no right being there at all.  The bad thing about it was I was going coyote hunting myself and had my video camera in my backpack and forgot about it, i could have filmed these *censored*s and really screwed up their plans.

[Wanttohuntmore]

I've never hunted with hounds, don't really care to either (too much work!), but this plain sucks.  This state (unfortunately the majority of people in this state) have their heads so far up their rear that they cannot see straight.  I saw so much cougar sign on Saturday (fresh mind you) that I was actually truly worried for me and my 4 year olds well being.  I think this nail in the coffin for hound hunters is just another attempt at socially engineering all of us into being pansies.  I honestly think the majority in this state think animals can talk like they do on Disney.  Here's my theory of what's next, banning coon hunting with hounds, then whats next, birds?  Archery?  Rifles?  WTF....
I work with many anti's, and I try my best to educate them.  I tell them I archery hunt, and they automatically think it's great that I'm doing a real "sport" and doing it the hard way.  What I then tell them is that I feel I'm actually more able to get an animal with a bow since the season is favorable for archers.  They look at me like I'm crazy, but it gets them thinking a little.

[Machias]

I'm having an anuerism, HHmmmm  HHmmmm  Inner peace and calm, inner peace and calm!!!!

[rainshadow1]

Why do you call these guys *censored*s. Hound hunting would still be legal in this state if it wasn't for all the treehuggers in western Washington . When the anti's get bow hunting banned because they convince the general public that it is unethical, are you gonna call people who still try to bow hunt *censored*s? No hard feelings furbearer, just my opinion.

Just call them poachers. Simplify things.

I'm against the new dog ban, just like I was against the hound ban and the baiting ban, just like I'm against the tighter lion seasons, and the other convoluted crap WDFW is throwing down to justify their existance... but poaching is poaching, and someone doing it is a "Poacher." Plain and simple. I won't do it, and as a dedicated law-abiding caller, I don't have to sit by and compete with poachers... grab the phone, grab the camera... Burn 'Em. Immediately. Every Time.

You don't get laws changed by sneaking around breaking them.

[Machias]

Why do you call these guys *censored*s. Hound hunting would still be legal in this state if it wasn't for all the treehuggers in western Washington . When the anti's get bow hunting banned because they convince the general public that it is unethical, are you gonna call people who still try to bow hunt *censored*s? No hard feelings furbearer, just my opinion.

Just call them poachers. Simplify things.

I'm against the new dog ban, just like I was against the hound ban and the baiting ban, just like I'm against the tighter lion seasons, and the other convoluted crap WDFW is throwing down to justify their existance... but poaching is poaching, and someone doing it is a "Poacher." Plain and simple. I won't do it, and as a dedicated law-abiding caller, I don't have to sit by and compete with poachers... grab the phone, grab the camera... Burn 'Em. Immediately. Every Time.

You don't get laws changed by sneaking around breaking them.

AMEN!!!!

[stumprat]

CastleRocker, i would let your son in on it because it is not proving anything to let him get a ticket or have his gun and dog confiscated. 

Earlier someone asked if i saw the hound hunters do something illegal or just assume and yes I saw them, confronted them, and it almost got out of hand.  I watched as they went through a gate that is designated as walk in only and shut it behind them but not lock it so they could get out.  They must of had someone open it for them the night before because they just pulled up, reached underneath the lock and took it off without a key.  My buddy watched them go down a road that we knew was a dead end so we waited for them.  When they came back we stopped them in the road with the dogs on their boxes and asked what they were doing.  "Hunting coyotes with a Weyco permit" the first one said really sarcastically.  He then told us to get the hell out of the way.  Next his buddy drove up with his dogs on the box and told us that "he didn't need to explain anything to us because we were nobody."  This was just the first time of many.  After talking to the local game warden about it the next week, he said they were lying and he knew who they were and they had no right being there at all.  The bad thing about it was I was going coyote hunting myself and had my video camera in my backpack and forgot about it, i could have filmed these *censored*s and really screwed up their plans.

How do you know that they weren't hunting bear for the timber company? As far as this new regulation change goes, I hope everyone is calling and mailing the dept. about it. We all need to help each other. There's no telling who will be the next socially unacceptable usergroup. Just for example in the early 90's I attended many wdfw public meetings. At that time Peta and P.A.W.S. were trying to get the dept. to outlaw the running of bear. This was before this issue went before the public as a voter initiative. At one of these meetings in Issaqua a houndsman asked a woman while she was speaking," What's the difference between me running bear and a guy flushing pheasant with a dog"....Her reply," Don't worry once we get you they'll be next". Pretty scary huh. I guess what I'm getting at is the longer the pissing matches continue amongst our own, the more organized they get.

If we don't get our act together pretty quick we will lose what half assed decent bear hunting we still have. Remember the 2010,and 2011 bear seasons are not finalized!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[billythekidrock]

At one of these meetings in Issaqua a houndsman asked a woman while she was speaking," What's the difference between me running bear and a guy flushing pheasant with a dog"....Her reply," Don't worry once we get you they'll be next".

I have posted this scenerio many times but people don't seem to get it. "Hound hunting" to the anti's truly means "Dog hunting". The problem is the upland and waterfowl guys don't think it will affect them.

Basically the same with the Master Hunter program. Non MH's that are trying to shut down the program will only hurt hunters as a whole when we can't hunt period in certain areas. We need to be supporting all aspects of hunting.

[stumprat]

BTKR you are correct these groups have definite hot lists. They start with unconventional methods ie.dogs, bait, trapping. Then they want to go after groups with less numbers, Archers and so on.

[bearmanric]

 this all  is just so frustrating. i hope the best for us all. very scared what's coming. Rick

[billythekidrock]

next year we will hunting bear in the month of august it will be gone. i'll be calling bear's with the bowhunter's then in sept.  :yike:and i wont care then.   soon we will be all fighting.  them wording the hound thing that way is very very scary. calling cougar and bear is unethical. not enough of them. Rick

You are right and this is a point that I have been writing a bunch about in my notes. Right now bear hunters (mainly modern firearm) can get our fill of hunting in August and most of us don't target bears as much in September because of all the activity from the archers.

If they take August away from the bear hunters you can bet that there will be a bunch of bear hunters ready and gung ho to hit the woods in September.

Right now I don't hunt bears too hard in September and I will typically leave any area where I think I will interfere with an archery hunt or where they will interfere with my hunt. If this passes next year you can bet that I will hunt bears in September and while I will not purposely ruin someones hunt, I will be out there trompin', calling and packing a rifle....archery hunters or not.

[bearmanric]

i wont purposely ruin a hunt either. on the coast. i know were to go in september. different from the archer's. i'm thinking of archery hunting this year for elk eastside. could have gotten my elk a few time's. what i'm saying if they want to put it in september i'm not going to give up calling bear. i've almost had fight's with bowhunter's on the coast. they told i wasnt alowd in the wood's during archery season. so i'm sure they will be upset bowhunter's. Rick

[CastleRocker]

I wonder how that will work....I archery hunt for elk, but rifle for bear.  So can I carry both while hunting?  I've been hastled in the past by our local law enforcement over that very thing.  Will us archery hunters have to wear blaze orange too?  Things that make me go Hmmmm....

CastleRocker, i would let your son in on it because it is not proving anything to let him get a ticket or have his gun and dog confiscated. 
 

Yep, I told him last night.  I also told him not to worry about it, as I do not believe the law applies to his dog.  I'll pay the fine and we will go to court over it.  I'll go with the defense that his dog is a retriever, not a hunter.  Therefore, he is not using it to hunt with.  I'll fight that as far as it takes.  I still say it's bs.  I was against the hound ban, and I'm not a hound hunter, but I have friends who were.  In fact after the ban was enacted, one moved to Idaho just so he could still hunt.

I posted a quote on here one time that may apply again;  I'll see if I can find it.

"First they came for the Communists, but I was not one so I did not speak up.  Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was not one of them, so I did not speak out.  Then they came for the Jews, but I was not Jewish so I did not speak out.   Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out for me".

Martin Niemoeller on the Nazi Party

[billythekidrock]

So can I carry both while hunting? 


Will us archery hunters have to wear blaze orange too? 

Nope and Nope.