No coyotes with dogs...

[CastleRocker]

Well, the latest I read is I can legally carry a handgun now while archery hunting.  That's all I need for bear.  And as far as blaze orange goes...yeah, I know I don't have to wear it unless the modern elk/deer overlaps, but I had to through that in there anyway during my rant.

[stumprat]

Your sidearm would have to be of a legal caliber to harvest a bear. no 9mm or 357

[bobcat]

I don't see a game warden giving a ticket to a guy who happens to have a dog with him while coyote hunting. There is no law against having a dog with you. The law is that you can't hunt coyotes with hounds. Totally different thing. I would continue to bring the lab along if that's what I had always done. The intent of the law is to prevent hound hunters from chasing coyotes, or using that as an excuse when they are really after other animals like cougars or bobcats. To have a dog with you while calling coyotes, a dog that is not a hound, and does not chase them, is not or should not be a violation of the new stupid law. Just my  

[stumprat]

I don't see a game warden giving a ticket to a guy who happens to have a dog with him while coyote hunting. There is no law against having a dog with you. The law is that you can't hunt coyotes with hounds. Totally different thing. I would continue to bring the lab along if that's what I had always done. The intent of the law is to prevent hound hunters from chasing coyotes, or using that as an excuse when they are really after other animals like cougars or bobcats. To have a dog with you while calling coyotes, a dog that is not a hound, and does not chase them, is not or should not be a violation of the new stupid law. Just my  

Any dog should be illegal. Or if it is hound specific maybe I'll buy some curs and start bear hunting

[furbearer365]

Hey swhunter, i called these guys *censored*s because they were *censored*s not because they were hound hunting so quit being so defensive.  We simply asked them what they were doing the weekend before deer season driving around in a walk-in area with walker hounds on the truck.  I am not dumb and was not confrentational until they blew up and lied by saying "coyote hunting with a depridation permit."  That is why i called them *censored*s, i am not against LEGAL houndhunting at all and I agree with the fact that this is a problem were are experiencing.

Hey adnahoundsman, if you read what i wrote in my post you will see that the way i know they weren't hunting bear on a depridation tag is because when i asked what they were hunting they yelled at me instantly and said "coyotes on a depridation tag."  It sounds to me that their are a lot of people who are very defensive on this site because they are not even reading what i wrote before they jump all over it.  Once again I am not at all opposed to LEGAL houndhunting i think it is a very respectable way to hunt if done with the upmost respect for the game and the hounds themself.  I also know they were not hunting bears because like i also said, i talked to the local game warden the next week and he said that weyco had no tags out at that time and he knew those guys and they were not hired hunters by weyco anyway.

[stumprat]

Hey swhunter, i called these guys *censored*s because they were *censored*s not because they were hound hunting so quit being so defensive.  We simply asked them what they were doing the weekend before deer season driving around in a walk-in area with walker hounds on the truck.  I am not dumb and was not confrentational until they blew up and lied by saying "coyote hunting with a depridation permit."  That is why i called them *censored*s, i am not against LEGAL houndhunting at all and I agree with the fact that this is a problem were are experiencing.

Hey adnahoundsman, if you read what i wrote in my post you will see that the way i know they weren't hunting bear on a depridation tag is because when i asked what they were hunting they yelled at me instantly and said "coyotes on a depridation tag."  It sounds to me that their are a lot of people who are very defensive on this site because they are not even reading what i wrote before they jump all over it.  Once again I am not at all opposed to LEGAL houndhunting i think it is a very respectable way to hunt if done with the upmost respect for the game and the hounds themself.  I also know they were not hunting bears because like i also said, i talked to the local game warden the next week and he said that weyco had no tags out at that time and he knew those guys and they were not hired hunters by weyco anyway.

Just asking, I believe you. I just know a few people have been told by wardens that there are NO contract bear hunts at all. But it sounds like the one you talked to knew these guys.

[CastleRocker]

Your sidearm would have to be of a legal caliber to harvest a bear. no 9mm or 357

I think they changed that a couple years back down to any centerfire .24 caliber or larger.   So "legally" a 9mm/357 is legal, personally, I just don't think they are enough.  I'd have one of my 44's or my Contender with...well one of several calibers from 243 Win. to 45-70.  (the 45-70 is not that pleasant with the 10" non-ported barrel, but it sure works on critters!)

[billythekidrock]

Quotes from the proposals that were passed.

"The Department is recommending making it unlawful to hunt coyotes with the use of dogs."
"Eliminate the use of dogs to hunt coyotes."

Depending on the agent and circumstances I can see where a citation would be issued if you killed a coyote with a lab at your side.

[Machias]

I don't see a game warden giving a ticket to a guy who happens to have a dog with him while coyote hunting. There is no law against having a dog with you. The law is that you can't hunt coyotes with hounds. Totally different thing. I would continue to bring the lab along if that's what I had always done. The intent of the law is to prevent hound hunters from chasing coyotes, or using that as an excuse when they are really after other animals like cougars or bobcats. To have a dog with you while calling coyotes, a dog that is not a hound, and does not chase them, is not or should not be a violation of the new stupid law. Just my  

Not exactly true my friend, decoying is also illegal, doesn't say a thing about HOUNDS, it says coyote cannot be hunted with dogs.  We specifically asked about decoying and was told it is illegal.  That gives some hard @$$ GW alot of leeway.  You run into the wrong guy on the wrong day and you can be cited.  Say your out upland bird hunting and a yote bust out, bang, dead, citation.

I tell you fellas was infuriates me, they say we had to do it because the legislature would have gotten involved and oooohhh you poor dumb@$$ hunters don't want the legislature getting involved.  Well here is the deal WDFW (I sure hope you are reading this)  If the legislature gets involved and passes silly regulations then the public have some sort of  recourse, we can vote their sorry asses out (granted, not likely to happen here in lil kalifornia)  but we have recourse.  What you just did by deaming this "socially unacceptable" is take all recourse out of the publics hands, no voter initiative, nothing.  You did PETAs work for them FREE of FRICKEN charge.  This may have come to pass on it's own either by voter initative or the legislative process, but we would have been allowed to fight it.  We have no recourse now but to bitch and moan.

[Kain]

Well said Machias.  I think our only recourse is to put as much pressure on WDFW to change it as we can.  Even if they wont they might think twice about doing it again in the future.  At least it might save bear hunting in August.


Here are the regs on handguns for hunting:

http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/hunter/huntregs2009.pdf

Handguns:
Big game, except cougar, may be hunted with
handguns with a minimum barrel length of 4 inches
per manufacturers specification, and fire a minimum
24 caliber centerfire cartridge. Cougar may be
hunted with 22 caliber centerfire handgun. Rimfire
handguns are not legal for big game.

[deaddog]

I don't see a game warden giving a ticket to a guy who happens to have a dog with him while coyote hunting. There is no law against having a dog with you. The law is that you can't hunt coyotes with hounds. Totally different thing. I would continue to bring the lab along if that's what I had always done. The intent of the law is to prevent hound hunters from chasing coyotes, or using that as an excuse when they are really after other animals like cougars or bobcats. To have a dog with you while calling coyotes, a dog that is not a hound, and does not chase them, is not or should not be a violation of the new stupid law. Just my  

Not exactly true my friend, decoying is also illegal, doesn't say a thing about HOUNDS, it says coyote cannot be hunted with dogs.  We specifically asked about decoying and was told it is illegal.  That gives some hard @$$ GW alot of leeway.  You run into the wrong guy on the wrong day and you can be cited.  Say your out upland bird hunting and a yote bust out, bang, dead, citation.

I tell you fellas was infuriates me, they say we had to do it because the legislature would have gotten involved and oooohhh you poor dumb@$$ hunters don't want the legislature getting involved.  Well here is the deal WDFW (I sure hope you are reading this)  If the legislature gets involved and passes silly regulations then the public have some sort of  recourse, we can vote their sorry asses out (granted, not likely to happen here in lil kalifornia)  but we have recourse.  What you just did by deaming this "socially unacceptable" is take all recourse out of the publics hands, no voter initiative, nothing.  You did PETAs work for them FREE of FRICKEN charge.  This may have come to pass on it's own either by voter initative or the legislative process, but we would have been allowed to fight it.  We have no recourse now but to bitch and moan.

They did not do petas work for free, they used our state taxs.

[matlockmike]

My feeling is that Bear hunting is going to follow the new cougar hunting seasons.  With more people having to draw special tags for August.

As for hunting coyotes with dogs I think we all need to stand together against this.  It is one more step away from having all our hunting privileges being taken away.

[Curly]

That is what really makes the new law hard to take.  It was just shoved down our throats.  

I've always said that there should not be wildlife issues brought-up for vote by Initiative (like the baiting, trapping, and hunting w/ hounds)......I always thought that those issues should be decided by the biologists at WDFW.  Reason being is that those are emotional type issues that will get voted on by the general public and the way they word those initiatives, most people vote for the animal.

Now it seems that the WDFW is against hunters too.  I would have bitched about a hunting with dogs for coyote Initiative......it probably would have passed by Initiative; but I'd rather be pissed at the tree huggers in Seattle than the WDFW.  WDFW should not be taking opportunity away, unless for biological reasons.  

[billythekidrock]

Now it seems that the WDFW is against hunters too.  I would have bitched about a hunting with dogs for coyote Initiative......it probably would have passed by Initiative; but I'd rather be pissed at the tree huggers in Seattle than the WDFW.  WDFW should not be taking opportunity away, unless for biological reasons.  

I agree 100%

[Houndhunter]

 WDFW should not be taking opportunity away, unless for biological reasons.  

thats the best damn thing ive heard on this site, i just got a new signature