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Good round. But I wouldn't spend more than .00001% of my time worrying about black bears.
I have a 10mm, so I tend to carry it in the woods, but if I only had a 9 I wouldn't worry about it. How many black bear attacks in the west the last 10 years?I don't know, but I'm guessing not many.
Quote from: Bigshooter on April 13, 2021, 12:17:35 PMGood round. But I wouldn't spend more than .00001% of my time worrying about black bears.Well I've not spent a million days in the woods but I have had the opportunity to wear a live black bear and I'd not write off the possibility of an attack.
Quote from: Jonathan_S on April 13, 2021, 02:44:05 PMQuote from: Bigshooter on April 13, 2021, 12:17:35 PMGood round. But I wouldn't spend more than .00001% of my time worrying about black bears.Well I've not spent a million days in the woods but I have had the opportunity to wear a live black bear and I'd not write off the possibility of an attack.So I know there are a few attacks. That had to be scarier than crap. Glad you're here to tell the tale.
If you’re gonna buy a new gun for bears, go get a keltec pmr-30. 30 rounds of 22 mag and it’s super light/accurate. I know quite a few guys packing those for the bears we have here.
I picked up the Buffalo Bore +p .45 ACP loads a couple years ago, before the panic, and love them! They work great in my Kimber Ultra Carry, and I have heard a lot of good things about the hard cast lead bullets.
Quote from: greenhead_killer on April 13, 2021, 05:35:19 PMIf you’re gonna buy a new gun for bears, go get a keltec pmr-30. 30 rounds of 22 mag and it’s super light/accurate. I know quite a few guys packing those for the bears we have here.I used to want a pmr 30 but I heard those have a bunch of issues, 22wmr from a pistol seems to just be the same ballistics from 22lr from a rifleIf I were to go with a 22 for bears I’d just get a North American arms companion pistol with 22 shorts, all you gotta do is be able to outrun your buddy right?
How many black bear attacks in the west the last 10 years?I don't know, but I'm guessing not many.
I can tell you from personal experience that 9mm JHP from a G19 does not penetrate elk hide. That’s partly why I carry 10mm.
I can tell you from personal experience that 9mm JHP from a G19 does not penetrate elk hide. That’s partly why I carry 10mm. BLACK HAMMER ARMSType 07 Class 2 NFA Dealerhttp://www.blackhammerarms.comhttps://www.Silencershop.com/blackhammerarmshttp://www.facebook.com/blackhammerarmshttps://www.instagram.com/blackhammerarmsGLOCK Certified Armourer
Quote from: dreadi on April 15, 2021, 01:22:37 PMI can tell you from personal experience that 9mm JHP from a G19 does not penetrate elk hide. That’s partly why I carry 10mm. BLACK HAMMER ARMSType 07 Class 2 NFA Dealerhttp://www.blackhammerarms.comhttps://www.Silencershop.com/blackhammerarmshttp://www.facebook.com/blackhammerarmshttps://www.instagram.com/blackhammerarmsGLOCK Certified Armourercan you share that story?
Quote from: jdb on April 15, 2021, 06:54:27 PMQuote from: dreadi on April 15, 2021, 01:22:37 PMI can tell you from personal experience that 9mm JHP from a G19 does not penetrate elk hide. That’s partly why I carry 10mm. BLACK HAMMER ARMSType 07 Class 2 NFA Dealerhttp://www.blackhammerarms.comhttps://www.Silencershop.com/blackhammerarmshttp://www.facebook.com/blackhammerarmshttps://www.instagram.com/blackhammerarmsGLOCK Certified Armourercan you share that story?Yes. My first elk harvest which was also my first big game harvest, my second time ever seeing a herd of elk and after two hits of .308 he still wasn’t dead. I caught up him and he was expiring. Unsure of if I should shoot him again with my rifle standing directly over him or use my handgun, i chose my handgun thinking there would be less meat damage. Two rounds and he’s acting like nothing happened and he’s still alive. A few minutes later he’s dead. The next day while fleshing the hide, I find both bullets in the same side I shot him on. BLACK HAMMER ARMSType 07 Class 2 NFA Dealerhttp://www.blackhammerarms.comhttps://www.Silencershop.com/blackhammerarmshttp://www.facebook.com/blackhammerarmshttps://www.instagram.com/blackhammerarmsGLOCK Certified Armourer
Quote from: dreadi on April 16, 2021, 07:17:38 AMQuote from: jdb on April 15, 2021, 06:54:27 PMQuote from: dreadi on April 15, 2021, 01:22:37 PMI can tell you from personal experience that 9mm JHP from a G19 does not penetrate elk hide. That’s partly why I carry 10mm. BLACK HAMMER ARMSType 07 Class 2 NFA Dealerhttp://www.blackhammerarms.comhttps://www.Silencershop.com/blackhammerarmshttp://www.facebook.com/blackhammerarmshttps://www.instagram.com/blackhammerarmsGLOCK Certified Armourercan you share that story?Yes. My first elk harvest which was also my first big game harvest, my second time ever seeing a herd of elk and after two hits of .308 he still wasn’t dead. I caught up him and he was expiring. Unsure of if I should shoot him again with my rifle standing directly over him or use my handgun, i chose my handgun thinking there would be less meat damage. Two rounds and he’s acting like nothing happened and he’s still alive. A few minutes later he’s dead. The next day while fleshing the hide, I find both bullets in the same side I shot him on. BLACK HAMMER ARMSType 07 Class 2 NFA Dealerhttp://www.blackhammerarms.comhttps://www.Silencershop.com/blackhammerarmshttp://www.facebook.com/blackhammerarmshttps://www.instagram.com/blackhammerarmsGLOCK Certified ArmourerJhp are a poor choice for a hunting round obviously but they didn’t even penetrate the hide? I find that hard to believe considering they will shoot through plywood and then some just fine. But a hard cast or extreme penetrator probably would have ended up in hide on the opposite side.
Quote from: dilleytech on April 16, 2021, 04:21:50 PMQuote from: dreadi on April 16, 2021, 07:17:38 AMQuote from: jdb on April 15, 2021, 06:54:27 PMQuote from: dreadi on April 15, 2021, 01:22:37 PMI can tell you from personal experience that 9mm JHP from a G19 does not penetrate elk hide. That’s partly why I carry 10mm. BLACK HAMMER ARMSType 07 Class 2 NFA Dealerhttp://www.blackhammerarms.comhttps://www.Silencershop.com/blackhammerarmshttp://www.facebook.com/blackhammerarmshttps://www.instagram.com/blackhammerarmsGLOCK Certified Armourercan you share that story?Yes. My first elk harvest which was also my first big game harvest, my second time ever seeing a herd of elk and after two hits of .308 he still wasn’t dead. I caught up him and he was expiring. Unsure of if I should shoot him again with my rifle standing directly over him or use my handgun, i chose my handgun thinking there would be less meat damage. Two rounds and he’s acting like nothing happened and he’s still alive. A few minutes later he’s dead. The next day while fleshing the hide, I find both bullets in the same side I shot him on. BLACK HAMMER ARMSType 07 Class 2 NFA Dealerhttp://www.blackhammerarms.comhttps://www.Silencershop.com/blackhammerarmshttp://www.facebook.com/blackhammerarmshttps://www.instagram.com/blackhammerarmsGLOCK Certified ArmourerJhp are a poor choice for a hunting round obviously but they didn’t even penetrate the hide? I find that hard to believe considering they will shoot through plywood and then some just fine. But a hard cast or extreme penetrator probably would have ended up in hide on the opposite side.³I wouldn't tell the story if it weren't true.
Jhp are a poor choice for a hunting round obviously but they didn’t even penetrate the hide? I find that hard to believe considering they will shoot through plywood and then some just fine. But a hard cast or extreme penetrator probably would have ended up in hide on the opposite side.
