Tribal fishing

[85yota]

https://www.king5.com/article/news/investigations/washington-native-american-fishing-practices-salmon-decline-misinformation/281-51bfed5e-e10c-4d51-99dd-210715e0815c


What Yall think about this.. From talking to a gal who works at the hatchery on the skykomish..tribal fishing is a huge issue with no count of what they take.. Kelly sure seems strong on this issue

[jstone]

See it on The Puyallup every year.!!
Totes full of fish get waisted. Happens and no one cares. That’s why it’s always funny listening to the news about other reasons. We had a family cabin up the Chiwawa river as a kid. Saw all kinds of salmon way up the river. Not so much anymore.

[jstone]

Probably a racism issue if you say anything.

[h20hunter]

My opinion is nets should not be used as they are in rivers. Also, it is clear to me that reporting is essentially non existent or enforceable.  I don't have a solution but 8n general the path we are on is the wrong one.

[Tbar]

My opinion is nets should not be used as they are in rivers. Also, it is clear to me that reporting is essentially non existent or enforceable.  I don't have a solution but 8n general the path we are on is the wrong one.

How is it clear to you?  Care to take a day and learn the reporting and enforcement on said river. Biologists literally check virtually every fish and update the model in real time. In addition to this enforcement is present 24 hours a day during the fishery. Some of the tribal fisheries have been cut down to minutes to adequately asses all factors.

[Tbar]

See it on The Puyallup every year.!!
Totes full of fish get waisted. Happens and no one cares. That’s why it’s always funny listening to the news about other reasons. We had a family cabin up the Chiwawa river as a kid. Saw all kinds of salmon way up the river. Not so much anymore.

You do realize some totes of fish are processed at the hatchery then returned to the water to decompose and feed the river?

[87Ford]

It's King5, they have a narrative.. 

[L8NITE]

So ur saying the just throw the whole tote full of fish in the river??? We watched two full totes of fish going down the river like a boat last year after the eggs had been harvested! Even if they dump them back into the river to decompose it sure paints an ugly picture for folks to witness. WE are definitely on the wrong path and will have No fishing in the years to come if something by everyone is not done NOW. I agree about lack of enforcement as well...maybe not in the Skagit but several other rivers on the OP...nothing happens!!!

[ASHQUACK]

Very simple answer is to stop the commercial purchase of tribal caught salmon/steelhead. Unless they are licensed by and follow rules set by the rest of the commercial fleet. Stop the money and that stops the majority of the incentive.

[Tbar]

Very simple answer is to stop the commercial purchase of tribal caught salmon/steelhead. Unless they are licensed by and follow rules set by the rest of the commercial fleet. Stop the money and that stops the majority of the incentive.

This is an ignorant statement to say the least. We literally fight over the scraps. Between the multiple intercept fisheries and open ocean fisheries the tribal take is minimal at best. On a side note, fisheries have been so limited many tribes have been buying their own fish for several years.

[JKEEN33]

Very simple answer is to stop the commercial purchase of tribal caught salmon/steelhead. Unless they are licensed by and follow rules set by the rest of the commercial fleet. Stop the money and that stops the majority of the incentive.

This is an ignorant statement to say the least. We literally fight over the scraps. Between the multiple intercept fisheries and open ocean fisheries the tribal take is minimal at best. On a side note, fisheries have been so limited many tribes have been buying their own fish for several years.

BS!

[Tbar]

Very simple answer is to stop the commercial purchase of tribal caught salmon/steelhead. Unless they are licensed by and follow rules set by the rest of the commercial fleet. Stop the money and that stops the majority of the incentive.

This is an ignorant statement to say the least. We literally fight over the scraps. Between the multiple intercept fisheries and open ocean fisheries the tribal take is minimal at best. On a side note, fisheries have been so limited many tribes have been buying their own fish for several years.

BS!

Bring facts, participate in some processes. Please explain any life cycle of any stock that you care to explain or are knowledgeable on. Please feel free to include any terminal fishery impact and how you measured the terminal impact to a given stock.

[fishngamereaper]

I'm curious which tribe's import fish , beyond the ones doing it to supplement menu options at casino's.

[Special T]

See it on The Puyallup every year.!!
Totes full of fish get waisted. Happens and no one cares. That’s why it’s always funny listening to the news about other reasons. We had a family cabin up the Chiwawa river as a kid. Saw all kinds of salmon way up the river. Not so much anymore.

You do realize some totes of fish are processed at the hatchery then returned to the water to decompose and feed the river?

If i could get the tribes to do one thing different it would be the PR game. 

I personally think a bunch of the animosity stems from facts/issues most folks dont know about.  It appears to me that Tribes do what they do and try and keep it on the DL and not talk outside of the tribe. Considering that the state and sportsman have very little control over Tribes im not surprised that they deal with those outside of the tribes via lawsuits. Unfortunately this inward approach only allows the building of distrust and resentment.

Im sure a balance exists between sportsmen and the general publics public's views that the tribes take into account.  One area where I wish Tribes were more  vocal/transparent about is predator control that they are doing. Tribes are consumptive users and have the ability to manage predators where the WDFW seems locked in a stalemate with the govenor and this Animal Rights Activists supporters.

While not directly comparable im impressed with Thomas Sewind from the Pacific Balanced Marine Management in BC. He is trying to push for  Piniped management in BC and I belive has a Good PR campain.  While each tribe is different it is unfortunate they do not advertize the  culling of cormorants, the increased harvest of cats, or the management of wolves.

Perhaps Sportsmen and Tribes are in a Mexican standoff as to whom should signal that we should work together on certain issues. Perhaps its the combination of the lack of Tribal cohesive thoughts on public displays of management, and the farct that sportsmen, in large part, are a bunch of hard headed folks with a strong independent streak.

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[Tbar]

See it on The Puyallup every year.!!
Totes full of fish get waisted. Happens and no one cares. That’s why it’s always funny listening to the news about other reasons. We had a family cabin up the Chiwawa river as a kid. Saw all kinds of salmon way up the river. Not so much anymore.

You do realize some totes of fish are processed at the hatchery then returned to the water to decompose and feed the river?

If i could get the tribes to do one thing different it would be the PR game. 

I personally think a bunch of the animosity stems from facts/issues most folks dont know about.  It appears to me that Tribes do what they do and try and keep it on the DL and not talk outside of the tribe. Considering that the state and sportsman have very little control over Tribes im not surprised that they deal with those outside of the tribes via lawsuits. Unfortunately this inward approach only allows the building of distrust and resentment.

Im sure a balance exists between sportsmen and the general publics public's views that the tribes take into account.  [/img]. Tribes are consumptive users and have the ability to manage predators where the WDFW seems locked in a stalemate with the govenor and this Animal Rights Activists supporters.

While not directly comparable im impressed with Thomas Sewind from the Pacific Balanced Marine Management in BC. He is trying to push for  Piniped management in BC and I belive has a Good PR campain.  While each tribe is different it is unfortunate they do not advertize the  culling of cormorants, the increased harvest of cats, or the management of wolves.

Perhaps Sportsmen and Tribes are in a Mexican standoff as to whom should signal that we should work together on certain issues. Perhaps its the combination of the lack of Tribal cohesive thoughts on public displays of management, and the farct that sportsmen, in large part, are a bunch of hard headed folks with a strong independent streak.

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You realize who funded the last pinniped study? The one that has generated a lot of momentum towards management.