Traitor - Ryan Busse

[timberfaller]

Never heard of the guy, BUT his book cover says a lot about the mind he has!!  A double minded man is unstable in all his ways!!  From the wisest King who ever lived!

He would probably say the same thing if he'd been around when the concept of "interchangeable parts" entered into the firearm producing era! Hint: black powder days!   But then he probably flunked History 101.

[ducks4days]

Has anybody read the book?

[Bushcraft]

Has anybody read the book?

A more apropos question might be, "Has anybody given their money to an enemy of freedom?"

[ducks4days]

Has anybody read the book?

A more apropos question might be, "Has anybody given their money to an enemy of freedom?"

I moreso mean, is anybody speaking on things he actually wrote, or what words they made up in their head they think he might have written? I'm all for vilifying the guy based on what he did actually do, but maybe we should wait to string somebody up by their toes until we have a reason we can point to. Otherwise we are fighting straw men which actually weakens our arguments instead of strengthening them.

[Dan-o]

Has anybody read the book?

A more apropos question might be, "Has anybody given their money to an enemy of freedom?"

I moreso mean, is anybody speaking on things he actually wrote, or what words they made up in their head they think he might have written? I'm all for vilifying the guy based on what he did actually do, but maybe we should wait to string somebody up by their toes until we have a reason we can point to. Otherwise we are fighting straw men which actually weakens our arguments instead of strengthening them.

Some of his direct quotes are enough for me.
I don't need to read his book.

And for the record, I don't blame automobile manufacturers for drunk driving.

[WAcoyotehunter]

Maybe someone should read it and try to put the quotes into context.... it's kinda like reading the headlines but not the article.

You never know, maybe we could learn something from the author.   It doesn't hurt to know the arguments...

[Bushcraft]

Maybe someone should read it and try to put the quotes into context.... it's kinda like reading the headlines but not the article.

You never know, maybe we could learn something from the author.   It doesn't hurt to know the arguments...

I humbly submit that anyone feeling financially compelled to give money to access information from someone that signed on to Gifford's anti-gun group is mystifyingly missing the forest for the trees.  As was, and continues to be, the case with BHA and it's wildly leftist anti-gun, anti-hunting, anti-access, anti-use purse-string pullers.

But, by all means...go ahead further enrich him just to satisfy your curiosity.

[grundy53]

Former Firearms Executive Ryan Busse Joins Giffords to Combat Gun Lobby Radicalization and Advance Responsible Gun Ownership.

Evidently he's under the impression that "shall not be infringed" is somehow "dangerously absolutist".

https://giffords.org/press-release/2021/06/former-firearms-executive-ryan-busse-joins-giffords/

quote from the article- "Like me, the majority of gun owners no longer feel represented by the radical positions of the NRA and we reject the dangerous politics they fuel.”

I can relate with this.  I own 30+ guns and enjoy hunting/shooting with them, but I do not feel like the NRA represents me at all.  I think we have a gun problem in our country.  I do not pretend to know the solution to gun violence

Not feeling like the NRA represents you and joining up with the Giffords are worlds apart. That's like cutting off your head because you don't like how the barber cut your hair.

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[bearpaw]

Maybe someone should read it and try to put the quotes into context.... it's kinda like reading the headlines but not the article.

You never know, maybe we could learn something from the author.   It doesn't hurt to know the arguments...

You been listening to too much liberal media, guns in the 1800's and 1900's were just as lethal as guns today. The problem is the people using the guns for violence, start cleaning up the gangs and thugs and you will solve the problem. Its the low lifes who are killing people it's not honest Americans who legally own guns that are the problem. You are an educated person, think about that!

[Igor]

Maybe someone should read it and try to put the quotes into context.... it's kinda like reading the headlines but not the article.

You never know, maybe we could learn something from the author.   It doesn't hurt to know the arguments...

That's like reading a book by Al Sharpton so you "could learn something from the author".

[WAcoyotehunter]

Maybe someone should read it and try to put the quotes into context.... it's kinda like reading the headlines but not the article.

You never know, maybe we could learn something from the author.   It doesn't hurt to know the arguments...

That's like reading a book by Al Sharpton so you "could learn something from the author".

Precisely.   If you get all your info in an echo chamber you're really limiting your points of view.  You don't have to agree with someone to understand their argument,  right?

[Igor]

Maybe someone should read it and try to put the quotes into context.... it's kinda like reading the headlines but not the article.

You never know, maybe we could learn something from the author.   It doesn't hurt to know the arguments...

That's like reading a book by Al Sharpton so you "could learn something from the author".

Precisely.   If you get all your info in an echo chamber you're really limiting your points of view.  You don't have to agree with someone to understand their argument,  right?

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

[WAcoyotehunter]

Maybe someone should read it and try to put the quotes into context.... it's kinda like reading the headlines but not the article.

You never know, maybe we could learn something from the author.   It doesn't hurt to know the arguments...

That's like reading a book by Al Sharpton so you "could learn something from the author".

Precisely.   If you get all your info in an echo chamber you're really limiting your points of view.  You don't have to agree with someone to understand their argument,  right?

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

Then you're further ahead to start learning about ducks.  I'll grab a copy and offer it to the group when I'm done reading.  It might be a fun book club

[snake]

Smells like a duck...

Yup. BHA board member...

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https://www.backcountryhunters.org/board_of_directors

Don't see him on the board link above....

BHA sticks to their mission: public lands, the preservation and access to them. BHA does not dip into gun rights just like you wouldn't expect NRA to stand up for public lands.

Busse's opinion on guns is his and not BHA's. Just like Romney and Cheney's opinions are theirs, not the GOP.

Is this comment a joke?

[Igor]

Maybe someone should read it and try to put the quotes into context.... it's kinda like reading the headlines but not the article.

You never know, maybe we could learn something from the author.   It doesn't hurt to know the arguments...

That's like reading a book by Al Sharpton so you "could learn something from the author".

Precisely.   If you get all your info in an echo chamber you're really limiting your points of view.  You don't have to agree with someone to understand their argument,  right?

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

Then you're further ahead to start learning about ducks.  I'll grab a copy and offer it to the group when I'm done reading.  It might be a fun book club

And, if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then I'm smart enough to not have to read a book to know it's a duck.