Year round Bull Elk season

[trophyhunt]

Why wouldn’t you show us?  I’m sure a tribal member gave it to you, but why hid it, that only gives the feeling that there is something to hide?  But, I bet there is no info from the yakamas, at least accurate info. And I agree, non tribal info isn’t always truthful either, but I’d bet it’s close.

[Rainier10]

Why wouldn’t you show us?  I’m sure a tribal member gave it to you, but why hid it, that only gives the feeling that there is something to hide?  But, I bet there is no info from the yakamas, at least accurate info. And I agree, non tribal info isn’t always truthful either, but I’d bet it’s close.

It's called trust, they trusted me with the information and asked me not to share.  By the tone of this thread it is obvious that there are those that will not be satisfied no matter what you bring to the table.

You are correct there is no information from the Yakama's in the report but to say that no tribes track that information is incorrect.  There are people on here painted the tribes in a bad light because of one or two tribes and actually just a few members in those tribes.

Tribal members have actually chimed in on this thread and get blasted as soon as they do.  I wouldn't share a darn thing with this forum if I was a tribe member because of the hammering they get when they try to explain their side.

[trophyhunt]

I’m good with the trust deal, I get that. But the info must not back up their debate if they don’t want us to see it, that’s all I’m saying. Not trying to bash you at all.

[Rainier10]

I’m good with the trust deal, I get that. But the info must not back up their debate if they don’t want us to see it, that’s all I’m saying. Not trying to bash you at all.

It does actually back it up.  Most tribes are not abusing.  I would even venture to say that most members of the tribes that are not reporting probably aren't abusing but there are always a few bad apples.  Non natives have the same problem.  I would say the majority of non native hunters don't poach but the very few that do poach take a ton of animals.

The complaint here is tribes don't report and I am here to tell you they do.  Not all of them but most of them.

The problem with this forum is you get guys saying "they don't report, if they reported that would be a step in the right direction."  I come on here and say they do report and I have seen the report.  First reply, "prove it".  Next reply is the report must not back up their debate if they won't show it.  It is never good enough and you end up down a rabbit hole.

The tribes that don't report we have no idea what they harvest but I would be willing to bet a lot of money that the majority of the tribal members in the tribes that don't report don't harvest nearly as many animals as a few members of that tribe.

WDFW will tell you the same thing about non native harvest. For every animal taken legal by a hunter there is at least or more taken illegally.  That tells me that the majority of our hunters are doing it right and very select few are taking more than their fair share.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.  Get your own house in order before you start complaining about someone else's.

[Rainier10]

Has anyone researched some of the tribes in this state?

https://www.stillaguamish.com/natural-resources/wildlife-program/

[Rainier10]

https://www.stillaguamish.com/natural-resources/fish-wildlife-regulations/

https://www.stillaguamish.com/natural-resources/enforcement/

[trophyhunt]

OK, we will just trust that what you are telling us is true then, all is well now.   And for the record, I believe most of us know that most tribes have good programs, not all get bashed.  The colvilles usually get praise from this group. 

[Rainier10]

I always chuckle when someone, who has no clue, throws in some platitude about tribes and wildlife management. Of course they don't and never will collect data as they could care less about healthy deer and elk herds. Please prove wrong with some actual data.  This includes all of the tribes in the state. Just like not caring about salmon stocks when they place nets accross  spawning rivers.

Pretty broad paint brush here if you read this post.

[trophyhunt]

Well, this started out talking about the clockum area.  Nobody had any complaints with the Stillaguamish, looks like they have their ducks in a row, nice to see.

[Rainier10]

Well, this started out talking about the clockum area.  Nobody had any complaints with the Stillaguamish, looks like they have their ducks in a row, nice to see.

Did you read the bold in the post I just quoted?  "Nobody has any complaints with the Stillaguamish" you say?Do you see anything excluding the Stillaguamish from the "this includes all tribes"?

Here it is again.

I always chuckle when someone, who has no clue, throws in some platitude about tribes and wildlife management. Of course they don't and never will collect data as they could care less about healthy deer and elk herds. Please prove wrong with some actual data.  This includes all of the tribes in the state. Just like not caring about salmon stocks when they place nets accross  spawning rivers.

Pretty broad paint brush here if you read this post.

Look man I get it but people start painting with such a broad brush because of select few in a select few tribes the message gets lost and you lose your audience.