Nightforce SHV 5-20?

[Drifterat]

Thinking about ordering one. Anybody have one? Thoughts? Best place to order from? Opinions? Alternative considerations?

TIA

[jrebel]

I run 4 SHV’s and love them all.  Make sure you get the exposed elevation turret.   Some of the older ones have covered elevation turrets and it is a pita…..   I have both illuminated and non illuminated and could care less about illumination.  I have the MOAR RETICLE AND LOVE IT.     

Buy with confidence, they are great scopes for the price.   I also have a NSX and it is nice but way more money.   

Sportsman’s has them in stock and most nightforce scopes are fixed price meaning you typically don’t find better deals by shopping around.   Well in less you know someone…lol. 

[spoonman]

I have a few SHV’s and they are all great repeatable scopes. Buy from camera land NY and get free shipping and no tax.

[HntnFsh]

Yep, cameraland NY. Great service.

[trophyhunt]

Are they still made in Orofino, Idaho?  Seems like a good reason to go for a drive.

[BULLBLASTER]

I think shv are made in japan. Be a heck of a road trip. 

[Karl Blanchard]

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't the SHV only have a 10 moa turret on them?

[Drifterat]

Nightforce list's the elevation as 80 moa.

[BULLBLASTER]

I think karl is right 10 moa per revolution. Id personally spend the few hundo extra and go nxs, or if budget is tight, id rather have a ziess v4 than a shv. 

[Karl Blanchard]

I think karl is right 10 moa per revolution. Id personally spend the few hundo extra and go nxs, or if budget is tight, id rather have a ziess v4 than a shv. 

 

[jrebel]

The SHV has more elevation adjustment than most people will ever use.   Especially if you have a 20moa rail.  For the price…..they are awesome scopes.  Ford Chevy dodge….same with scopes.  Lots of brand names make good scopes.  It’s all about how much you want to spend.   I started with the SHV to get into the dialing game and have no regrets.  As money allowed I have now progressed to the NSX and NX8 line.   I can’t bring myself to go away from nightforce just because the proven reliability and repeatability. 

[Karl Blanchard]

I think people aren't getting what I'm saying. Not ten moa of come up, 10 moa per revolution of the turret.

[jrebel]

I think people aren't getting what I'm saying. Not ten moa of come up, 10 moa per revolution of the turret.

Yes I understand….just don’t see it as a negative. 

[Karl Blanchard]

I think people aren't getting what I'm saying. Not ten moa of come up, 10 moa per revolution of the turret.

Yes I understand….just don’t see it as a negative.

not necessarily a negative but being able to dial your effective range while staying within a full rev is better. Couldn't see a valid argument against that theory.

[spoonman]

They are 10 moa a revolution. If you set your zero it doesn’t matter if you go 100 revolutions you’ll always be able to go back to your zero. Might be nice to have more moa per revolution but I don’t shoot over 600 very often and that’s about 10moa so it doesn’t really bother me.

[trophyhunt]

I'm out of the loop and don't understand a damn thing you all are yappin about!    I love my huskemaw, just dial the yardage and shoot, keep it simple stupid for me!

[Karl Blanchard]

I'm out of the loop and don't understand a damn thing you all are yappin about!    I love my huskemaw, just dial the yardage and shoot, keep it simple stupid for me!

hypothetical here. You have an shv and a zeiss v4. Your shot calls for 17.5 moa come up. With the shv you would dial to 10, and then up another 7.5 moa. With the zeiss you dial to 17.5. Small difference but in the heat of the moment, less math is more better. North of 20 moa then you gotta really start paying attention as you're now off your zero by two full revolutions.

[jrebel]

300wsm - 10 MOA gets me out to 550 yards....with 600 yards being 11.  I don't break the 20 MOA till I am at 1000 yards.  In most hunting scenarios people will not be making a full revolution. 
6.5 creed - 10 MOA gets me out to 500 yards.  20 MOA to 800 and 30 MOA at 1000. 


In most hunting scenarios people will not be making a full revolution.  When you have to....adding in 10's is super easy.   Again...not trying to be argumentative, just realistic.  I own both 10 and 20 moa per revolution scopes and we are really splitting hairs.  I can run both with ease and think other than preference, there is no advantage or disadvantage to either. 

[Karl Blanchard]

Guy asked for opinions so I gave it. Once again, gun to your head, same exact scopes, but one is a 10 turret and one is a 20 turret and you can only pick one. Guarantee everyone picks the 20. Also, hunting was not mentioned as an intended use. Maybe he wants to delve into longe range target shooting or a bit of both. More user friendly features isn't a bad thing.

[jrebel]

Guy asked for opinions so I gave it. Once again, gun to your head, same exact scopes, but one is a 10 turret and one is a 20 turret and you can only pick one. Guarantee everyone picks the 20.

Your a hard charger on your opinion.....So am I...and I would say for the guy just getting into this style of scope (ie posting on a hunting forum asking about the SHV), looking to shot 1000 yards.....your wrong.  But that's why I appreciate your opinion Karl....you have one and you stick to it.    Nothing personal, just a little sporting at times. 

I think this post offers a lot of good insight and the OP should be able to make an informed decision.  I have and shoot 4 SHV's and like them equally as well as my more expensive NSX.  For the money savings...a guy can learn to count by 10.       Not to mention the SHV has graduations on the turret body that will actually tell you when you make a full revolution so you don't have to wonder what revolution your on, in the instance you have to dial 40 MOA for that 1.5 mile shot across county lines.  Poking fun is all.....nothing personal.   

[Karl Blanchard]

Ha! Pot meet kettle j I get the argument but he wanted opinions but also alternatives. There's alternates to the shv with the same or more features for the same price point or less (though few). And let's be real, this may be "hunting-washington" but its definitely not a hunting forum. Theres as much or more shooting, fishing, politics, etc talk as there is hunting.

I still want an answer, gun to your head, 10 moa turret or a 20 moa turret. Can't have both 

[jrebel]

Ha! Pot meet kettle j I get the argument but he wanted opinions but also alternatives. There's alternates to the shv with the same or more features for the same price point or less (though few). And let's be real, this may be "hunting-washington" but its definitely not a hunting forum. Theres as much or more shooting, fishing, politics, etc talk as there is hunting.

I still want an answer, gun to your head, 10 moa turret or a 20 moa turret. Can't have both 

Unlimited funds for any scope I can buy??  I need more information with the "gun to my head" scenario.  Just to save my life....I take the less expensive 10 moa turret so I live and keep my money.  If money isn't an issue I take the more expensive scopes that don't come in 10 moa so I have to deal with the 20 moa turret (no pros or cons to either except price).  Do I want repeatability and reliability or just looking for any scope to save me life?  See how this plays out? 

Cheap(er) tough as nails, reliable, repeatable, etc....for an entry level scope to introduce someone to dial turrets....It's my opinion the SHV can't be beat.  I am clearly biased though...and I have seen other guys spend less or buy other brands and be sorely disappointed with dependability and repeatability.  I have yet to hear of anyone complain nightforce is not repeatable with its turrets.   

Only downside to the SHV is it's weight.  Nightforce is not known for lighter weight scopes, but with weight comes toughness. 

Honestly.....I could care less if it were 10 or 20 moa turrets!!  You have yet to answer why one is better than the other....with the exception of saying you don't have to go a full revolution to get past 10 moa. 

And yes...there are other options out there.  I have yet to find one in that price range that compares apples to apples.  Another nice feature of the SHV, it has a capped windage turret which protects it from getting bumped or changed if in a scabbard or riding on your back / pack all day long.  I never dial windage so I really appreciate that feature.   

[Karl Blanchard]

Its a hypothetical.  Same exact scopes. Completely identical except one has a 10 moa turret and one has a 20 moa turret. Thats it. Which one are you choosing?


I've already stated that the 10 moa turret isn't necessarily a negative but it is a less desirable feature vs other scopes in its category. Let's compare to the v4 since bullblaster mentioned it. 20 moa turret, capped windage, solid mechanical zero stop, more reticle options (i prefer the t30 or the reticle over the moar) , sub 25oz, solid rep for repeatability. I'd use a shv in a heart beat but with scopes like the v4, I wouldn't even entertain one. Different strokes for different folks

[trophyhunt]

Huskemaw, dial and shoot up to 1000 yards without adding.   

[Karl Blanchard]

Huskemaw, dial and shoot up to 1000 yards without adding.   

nevermind those pesky atmospheric  conditions that can change your poi by feet....


 

[brocka]

Huskemaw, dial and shoot up to 1000 yards without adding.   

nevermind those pesky atmospheric  conditions that can change your poi by feet....


 

Um, that's not what the YouTube heroes told me...

[b23]

To  I'd buy a used NXS with HS ZS over a brand new SHV every time.  I'm a NF fan but I've just never really warmed up to their SHV and not because it lacks HS turrets, although, to Karl's point, you don't ever hear anyone wishing they had less MOA per revolution on the ups. 

[BULLBLASTER]

anyone who spends significant time dialing and shooting would surely prefer 20per rev, though that is only one of the reasons i would (and did)pick a v4 over the shv. The others being the zerostop and weight. The dumb parts of the v4 are that the magnification ring and parallax adjustment work backerds compared to the other scopes i have.

[trophyhunt]

Huskemaw, dial and shoot up to 1000 yards without adding.   

nevermind those pesky atmospheric  conditions that can change your poi by feet....


 

comes w two turrets for elevation, and they’ll make more if you want. I have a 3,000 and a 6,000 foot turret.   

[BULLBLASTER]

Huskemaw, dial and shoot up to 1000 yards without adding.   

nevermind those pesky atmospheric  conditions that can change your poi by feet....


 

comes w two turrets for elevation, and they’ll make more if you want. I have a 3,000 and a 6,000 foot turret.   

Wait mr elk! Let me change my turrets! 

[trophyhunt]

Huskemaw, dial and shoot up to 1000 yards without adding.   

nevermind those pesky atmospheric  conditions that can change your poi by feet....


 

comes w two turrets for elevation, and they’ll make more if you want. I have a 3,000 and a 6,000 foot turret.   

Wait mr elk! Let me change my turrets! 

karl can’t hike 3,000 ft in elevation in a month much less one day!  plus, he’s an elk racist!!

[Karl Blanchard]

Example: 2015 in MT we got hit with a nasty cold snap. Temp dropped out the bottom. I shot my buck at 502 yards. After the fact I got curious and ran the yardage numbers on that shot. With a yardage turret set for 35° and 5k feet i would have had to dial to 630 yards to make that shot. So the guy with the huskemaw would have ranged 502, dialed up to 500 yards and missed the daylights out of that buck. Not for me.

[jrebel]

Its a hypothetical.  Same exact scopes. Completely identical except one has a 10 moa turret and one has a 20 moa turret. Thats it. Which one are you choosing?


I've already stated that the 10 moa turret isn't necessarily a negative but it is a less desirable feature vs other scopes in its category. Let's compare to the v4 since bullblaster mentioned it. 20 moa turret, capped windage, solid mechanical zero stop, more reticle options (i prefer the t30 or the reticle over the moar) , sub 25oz, solid rep for repeatability. I'd use a shv in a heart beat but with scopes like the v4, I wouldn't even entertain one. Different strokes for different folks

For your hypothetical......I honest to god could care less for my purposes.  I really like the SVH and larger numbers / graduations with the 10 moa turret.  I also like my NSX, though it is not because it has a 20 moa turret.  I very rarely dial past 10 moa so it just doesn't matter.  That's my whole point.....and why I honestly cannot answer your hypothetical.  Another way to look at your hypothetical would be.....twist one full rotation or half rotation....which is definitely better?? 

You only get one M&M color to eat for the rest of your life...Which one is it?  You have a gun to your head and have to choose.....Ummmmmm???  They all taste the same. 

[BULLBLASTER]

Its a hypothetical.  Same exact scopes. Completely identical except one has a 10 moa turret and one has a 20 moa turret. Thats it. Which one are you choosing?


I've already stated that the 10 moa turret isn't necessarily a negative but it is a less desirable feature vs other scopes in its category. Let's compare to the v4 since bullblaster mentioned it. 20 moa turret, capped windage, solid mechanical zero stop, more reticle options (i prefer the t30 or the reticle over the moar) , sub 25oz, solid rep for repeatability. I'd use a shv in a heart beat but with scopes like the v4, I wouldn't even entertain one. Different strokes for different folks

For your hypothetical......I honest to god could care less for my purposes.  I really like the SVH and larger numbers / graduations with the 10 moa turret.  I also like my NSX, though it is not because it has a 20 moa turret.  I very rarely dial past 10 moa so it just doesn't matter.  That's my whole point.....and why I honestly cannot answer your hypothetical.  Another way to look at your hypothetical would be.....twist one full rotation or half rotation....which is definitely better?? 

You only get one M&M color to eat for the rest of your life...Which one is it?  You have a gun to your head and have to choose.....Ummmmmm???  They all taste the same.

Half turn is better, and m&ms is easy too. Its green. Theyre the best ones.

[Timberstalker]

Green M&M's suck.



 

[BULLBLASTER]

Green M&M's suck.



 

Do you even M&M bro!?!?

[Timberstalker]

 

Bro.  SMH

[Stein]

From my perspective a 10 moa rotation will be half as far off as a 20 when I forget to dial it back to zero.   

[Karl Blanchard]

Its a hypothetical.  Same exact scopes. Completely identical except one has a 10 moa turret and one has a 20 moa turret. Thats it. Which one are you choosing?


I've already stated that the 10 moa turret isn't necessarily a negative but it is a less desirable feature vs other scopes in its category. Let's compare to the v4 since bullblaster mentioned it. 20 moa turret, capped windage, solid mechanical zero stop, more reticle options (i prefer the t30 or the reticle over the moar) , sub 25oz, solid rep for repeatability. I'd use a shv in a heart beat but with scopes like the v4, I wouldn't even entertain one. Different strokes for different folks

For your hypothetical......I honest to god could care less for my purposes.  I really like the SVH and larger numbers / graduations with the 10 moa turret.  I also like my NSX, though it is not because it has a 20 moa turret.  I very rarely dial past 10 moa so it just doesn't matter.  That's my whole point.....and why I honestly cannot answer your hypothetical.  Another way to look at your hypothetical would be.....twist one full rotation or half rotation....which is definitely better?? 

You only get one M&M color to eat for the rest of your life...Which one is it?  You have a gun to your head and have to choose.....Ummmmmm???  They all taste the same.

thats not an answer sir  the question is 10 or 20 not whether you are indifferent or not.  Lets put it another way. You're the guy in charge of designing the shv line. You've got two options for turrets, a 10 and a 20. Obviously not gonna manufacture two different styles and the manufacturing cost is identical. Which one are you gonna put on the shv?

[Timberstalker]

Can we ask them to offer a 15 MOA model, to settle this dispute?

[Karl Blanchard]

Can we ask them to offer a 15 MOA model, to settle this dispute?

haha! Ive got an old leupold mrk4 with a 15moa turret thats easily dialed 10k shots on a dozen rifles or more. Just don't tell the internet because the mrk4's aren't supposed to hold zero or track 

[huntandjeep]

Can we ask them to offer a 15 MOA model, to settle this dispute?

haha! Ive got an old leupold mrk4 with a 15moa turret thats easily dialed 10k shots on a dozen rifles or more. Just don't tell the internet because the mrk4's aren't supposed to hold zero or track 

I'm still rocking 2 Mrk 4s on a couple long range rifles . They just flat work ..

[Jason]

Its a hypothetical.  Same exact scopes. Completely identical except one has a 10 moa turret and one has a 20 moa turret. Thats it. Which one are you choosing?
Bringing this one back to the top so we may be able to get some closure. Or not. 

I've already stated that the 10 moa turret isn't necessarily a negative but it is a less desirable feature vs other scopes in its category. Let's compare to the v4 since bullblaster mentioned it. 20 moa turret, capped windage, solid mechanical zero stop, more reticle options (i prefer the t30 or the reticle over the moar) , sub 25oz, solid rep for repeatability. I'd use a shv in a heart beat but with scopes like the v4, I wouldn't even entertain one. Different strokes for different folks

For your hypothetical......I honest to god could care less for my purposes.  I really like the SVH and larger numbers / graduations with the 10 moa turret.  I also like my NSX, though it is not because it has a 20 moa turret.  I very rarely dial past 10 moa so it just doesn't matter.  That's my whole point.....and why I honestly cannot answer your hypothetical.  Another way to look at your hypothetical would be.....twist one full rotation or half rotation....which is definitely better?? 

You only get one M&M color to eat for the rest of your life...Which one is it?  You have a gun to your head and have to choose.....Ummmmmm???  They all taste the same.

thats not an answer sir  the question is 10 or 20 not whether you are indifferent or not.  Lets put it another way. You're the guy in charge of designing the shv line. You've got two options for turrets, a 10 and a 20. Obviously not gonna manufacture two different styles and the manufacturing cost is identical. Which one are you gonna put on the shv?