You Can No Longer Hunt Coyote With Hounds....

[jackelope]

Like I said, have fun hunting coons.

i rest my case.

[stumprat]

adna, I use every weapon except a shotgun and pistol. And you obviously didn't get my point about having the hounds actually kill the deer or elk. Not the so called hunter.

This whole discussion doesn't really matter anyway since they will never reinstate hunting coyotes with hounds since there are more effective ways of controlling the population. So all you hound hunters can keep on crying and bitching. Have fun treeing coons. lol

Maybe when your method of hunting is deemed unacceptable you won't be laughing so loudly. The antis won't stop with just a few of us. And unfortunately we don't seem to give a *censored* about standing together. So yes I'm crying and bitching. But I'll understand when you need a tissue for your tears when you join us on the sidelines.

Thanks for your support.

[Branden]

Oh yes you are quite right only a moron would want to kill someone because of a difference of opinion. People who take everything literally are also ignorant.  Hunting fox / or today coyotes has been a sport for longer than this country has been established. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean you should want to make it so those who do shouldn't be able to enjoy that activity. right wouldn't that make you just like the anti's right?

Maybe when your method of hunting is deemed unacceptable you won't be laughing so loudly. The antis won't stop with just a few of us. And unfortunately we don't seem to give a *censored* about standing together. So yes I'm crying and bitching. But I'll understand when you need a tissue for your tears when you join us on the sidelines.

Thanks for your support.

I support hunting. It says nothing in the dictionary about a dog trainer being a hunter. Obviously most of the guys on this thread need a lesson in reading comprehension. I don't care if you use a decoy dog or even if you chase them as long as the human actually does something besides let the dogs out of the truck.

You know, if you guys are lucky you will get another year or two before they ban coon hunting. lol

[billythekidrock]

Only a moron would want to kill someone because they have a differant opinion.

Only a moron would want to take away another persons recreation!

So Vick should not have gone to jail because it was recreation?
What a stupid statement.

The difference is Vick did it for profit.
I don't think Vick should have gone to prison. Jail and a fine, yes, prison, no.

[Justin C.]

Oh yes you are quite right only a moron would want to kill someone because of a difference of opinion. People who take everything literally are also ignorant.  Hunting fox / or today coyotes has been a sport for longer than this country has been established. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean you should want to make it so those who do shouldn't be able to enjoy that activity. right wouldn't that make you just like the anti's right?

Look I understand what you mean with your screen name and I am not taking it literally, I was just making a point. But you should think about the perseption that someone is going to have of you when you choose a name like that. It won't make a tree hugger want to listen to you since they will assume you are an ignorent red neck.

I also believe that if you think something is wrong you should try to stop it. I don't think that makes me an anti. If videos and pictures of that kind of hunting get on the news there will be alot more people against hunting and in turn more hunting will be banned.

So Vick should not have gone to jail because it was recreation?
What a stupid statement.

The difference is Vick did it for profit.
I don't think Vick should have gone to prison. Jail and a fine, yes, prison, no.
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So you think dog fights should be legal if only for sport and not for profit?

[luvtohnt]

I support hunting. It says nothing in the dictionary about a dog trainer being a hunter. Obviously most of the guys on this thread need a lesson in reading comprehension. I don't care if you use a decoy dog or even if you chase them as long as the human actually does something besides let the dogs out of the truck.

You know, if you guys are lucky you will get another year or two before they ban coon hunting. lol

So what about the cattle ranchers that live within a firearm restriction area and are trying to protect their herds. We have a guy in ellensburg that has greyhounds to kill coyotes for him so he doesn't risk the infraction for using a firearm within the restricted area.

Brandon

[granola/hippyslayer]

My point is all of these animals were bread for a reason. At one point in time before everyone became overly sensitive towards everything. Most of these practices were not only common they were all socially acceptable. It is true that if we spend all of our time bickering amongst ourselves. we will never stand a chance against the anti's. I know some and they act as if it is a war and no one no matter how you act or how ethical you maybe. guess what? they don't care. they want all hunting to stop.

[Branden]

I support hunting. It says nothing in the dictionary about a dog trainer being a hunter. Obviously most of the guys on this thread need a lesson in reading comprehension. I don't care if you use a decoy dog or even if you chase them as long as the human actually does something besides let the dogs out of the truck.

You know, if you guys are lucky you will get another year or two before they ban coon hunting. lol

So what about the cattle ranchers that live within a firearm restriction area and are trying to protect their herds. We have a guy in ellensburg that has greyhounds to kill coyotes for him so he doesn't risk the infraction for using a firearm within the restricted area.

Brandon

He is protecting his property. Just like if a burglar broke in I see no problem shooting him. 

[bearpaw]

My point is all of these animals were bread for a reason. At one point in time before everyone became overly sensitive towards everything. Most of these practices were not only common they were all socially acceptable. It is true that if we spend all of our time bickering amongst ourselves. we will never stand a chance against the anti's. I know some and they act as if it is a war and no one no matter how you act or how ethical you maybe. guess what? they don't care. they want all hunting to stop.

Granola....you hit the nail on the head...If everyone would only realize this, quit bickering... and start supporting each other we would not be losing various activities year after year.

[bearpaw]

Bearpaw, I agree with you that there are plenty of instances in hunting and fishing situations where things don't go as humanely as we would like. I do think though that we should do everything we can to make the kill quick and as painless as possible. If I were to wound an animal I would definitely not just say oh well that is just part of the sport.

The topic of this thread is You Can No Longer Hunt Coyote With Hounds... I don't see what using a decoy dog has to do with that. If the decoy method is covered under the same law then that sucks. That seems like a very good way to hunt coyotes and I would love to see it done.

I hunt birds with pointing dogs and I don't feel that it is it anything like hound hunting. If we have a dog that tries to chase or catch the birds then we have some more training to do. I also don't think all kinds of hound hunting are bad.

I will say that if there is a problem coyote that is going after livestock or causing some other problems the law about hound hunting them should not apply.

One last thought for now.....I think we should all be concerned about the humane treatment of animals and do everything we can to keep our hunting methods as ethical as we can.

I believe the law restricts hunting coyotes with any dog...that is the correlation...also some of the comments have asked how coyotes are hunted with dogs, decoy dogs are one of the types of dogs used.

I too hunt birds with my shorthair pointer...perhaps she is young and poorly trained by some standards...but she has done 30 birds straight and is still ready for more ...I love hunting with her almost as much as my hounds ...but I can tell you, if I don't pay attention...she enjoys chewing on the birds just as much as my hounds enjoy chewing on a bear after we shoot it.  I would also like to note that dog training is needed to teach a bird dog not to chew on the birds, many dogs instintively want to bite and chew the birds...much the same way a coyote or wolf or hound wants to instinctively bite and chew on wild animals if they catch them. Bird hunters also must train many bird dogs to hold since they want to chase a bird that flushes. This again demonstrates the simularities that a bird dog has to hounds. The reason you must train is to control these natural tendencies in the dogs, just as wth hounds. We have to train the hounds which game we do not want them to pursue. Having actually owned and hunted bird dogs and nearly all breeds of hound dogs I find many, many simularities.

I agree, a hunter should respectfully dispatch wildlife as humanely as possible. But I think you are doing the sport a disservice to try and claim it is all about the humane treatment of animals. I know that the reason I go hunting is for the pure enjoyment of being a hunter, being in the wild outdoors, to kill em, bring em home to eat, and to have them mounted if I think they'll look good on the wall. I am not going to sugar coat the truth. That's the uninhibited truth, like it or not.

[bearpaw]

Branden
I would think you may be on the wrong forum if your main concern is humane treatment of animals.  We as hunters shoot animals, we try to shoot well but some die right away, some crawl off and die, some have a slow and painful recovery. This is reality. 


Coyotes chew the hind quarters on deer until they bleed to death, this too is reality. There is nothing humane or pretty when it comes to predators or life of animals in the natural world. It is pretty much an "eat" or "be eaten" world and if you think otherwise you are severely mislead by too many disney movies. If a dog catches a coyote and kills it, so what.........that dog has done nothing to the coyote that the same coyote has not done a hundred times himself.

Coyote Hunting with dogs is as diverse as bird hunting with dogs. Coyote hunting with dogs is no more inhumane than bird hunting with dogs since the dogs catch and kill some of the birds, no more inhumane than fishing where worms are skewed on a hook and fish suffocate to death when taken out of water or they are beaten on the head with a miniture baseball bat, no more inhumane than throwing a live lobster or other shellfish in boiling water, and definitely no more inhumane than the treatment any wildlife prey recieves from a coyote.

Someone had asked how dogs hunt coyotes earlier, I will post this again?? While there may be another type of dog I am not familiar with, this covers most types.

Decoy Dogs - These dogs are trained to run out a couple hundred yards or so, get the attention of the coyote, and run back to the owner, who hopefully can hit the ensueing coyote. I have never heard of a decoy dog killing a coyote.

Hounds - These dogs pursue a coyote in much the same way as pursuing a bear, except the coyote usually has more endurance than most dogs, and even most bear. Because the coyote generally makes very large circles, the hunter can figure out where to hopefully ambush the coyote for an effective shot. Hounds generally pursue and sometimes bay coyotes there are a few dogs that may kill one but it is not the usual method of kill.

Beagles - Some guys like using beagles or similar small dogs. The chase is usually slower and coyotes will often run a smaller circle. Same method, the hunter tries to get himself into a good ambush spot hoping for a shot. I have never heard of a beagle killing a coyote.

Catch Dogs - These are often greyhounds or a similar type dog. They have great eyesight and speed. The hunter must first locate a coyote that the dogs can get sight of, they then have a chance of catching the coyote and killing it.

First your list is mostly smoke screens and you know it. And since you think its fine to use hounds to kill coyotes then do you think its fine to use them to kill deer and elk?

Scenario.
Grandpa and I are driving along. He sees a patch of timber he thinks deer would be in. I jump out and still hunt it for two hours and finally shoot a deer in the timber patch. Get it all loaded in the truck and away we go.
Now who is the hunter? Grandpa or me? Same as hunting coyotes with hounds.

Hello Brandon
Quite frankly I don't need any smoke screens. Everyone reading these threads who knows about dog hunting for coyotes probably knows about these various types of dogs. The info was meant for those who do not know what types of coyote dogs are available. You obviously fit into this category. You seem to have a problem in believing what anyone tells you, so before you make a bigger &%$# of yourself I would advise that you google "coyote decoy dogs". Perhaps you should google a few other things while you are at it.

Your scenario with grandpa makes little sense to me as far as proving whatever point you are trying to make. I would say grandpa is an experienced hunter who wants to see his less experienced grandson make a kill. He knows where deer like to hide, he puts his grandson on the hunt, the kid does a good job and brings home the bacon. I would say that grandpa is quite the hunter for knowing the deer would be in there. The kid is learning how to be a good hunter by listening to grandad. Both are hunters. Same with the houndhunter and the hounds.....   Neither is as good without the other. together they are an effective team.

[bearpaw]

You know, if you guys are lucky you will get another year or two before they ban coon hunting. lol
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Once coon hunting is banned, it is probably gone forever, for everyone, including you, your offspring, and their offspring.

What ever hunting that you do like to do, I guarantee that someone else thinks it should be banned, and once your hunting is banned, it is probably gone forever, for everyone, including you, your offspring, and their offspring.

That my friend is how this game of opposing the other guy's sport plays out. Remember, United we stand, Divided we will fall.....

[luvtohnt]

He is protecting his property. Just like if a burglar broke in I see no problem shooting him. 

If he gets caught or reported for shooting in a firearm restriction zone he would loose his hunting privlages. So again how is he going to protect his property?

Brandon

[billythekidrock]

Once coon hunting is banned, it is probably gone forever, for everyone, including you, your offspring, and their offspring.

What ever hunting that you do like to do, I guarantee that someone else thinks it should be banned, and once your hunting is banned, it is probably gone forever, for everyone, including you, your offspring, and their offspring.

That my friend is how this game of opposing the other guy's sport plays out. Remember, United we stand, Divided we will fall.....

 

[deaddog]

Thought I would catch up on this thread, nothing but stupidity going on here. Oh well, seems normal anymore. I guess I have a suggestion, if you are ignorant on the topic or just plain to stupid to follow, you may want to just shut your f%%^ing mouth, rather than run it too the point that your stupidity is nolonger in question. But if thats your bag, please continue.