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Re: Response from a "NO" vote, Lorna Smith
« Reply #195 on: November 22, 2021, 12:46:44 PM »
https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2021-11/fwc_nov_15_response__commissioner_questionsv2.pdf

Some light reading…this is the scientific responses to the commission from the wdfw.

The scientific data 100% supports the hunt.

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Re: Response from a "NO" vote, Lorna Smith
« Reply #196 on: November 22, 2021, 12:55:38 PM »
Where is she getting this information from? "We also know that the state-wide population is much smaller (19-20,000 bears) than the previously believed"

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Re: Response from a "NO" vote, Lorna Smith
« Reply #197 on: November 22, 2021, 12:56:21 PM »
My reasons for voting against the spring bear hunt were:

 (1) The Department failed to incorporate their own science into their recommendations. The published science I refer to is the result of many years of fieldwork which  has been published and peer reviewed in several professional journals. This best available science  on bear densities in GMUs on both sides of the state should be the guiding science on setting black bear seasons, fall AND spring. That research shows us that bear densities are far from uniform across the state and in many cases are far less than the 30 bears per 100 sq kilometers presumed for eastern Washington and the 19 bears presumed for eastern Washington, as is currently the case.

 (2) We also know that the state-wide population is much smaller (19-20,000 bears) than the previously believed 30,000 bears that the current hunts are predicated upon.  Science points out that the percent female/percent age of harvested bears approach that we currently use to estimate population and to set seasons is not a reliable indicator of  population health. In fact, the SAME ratios reported currently at end of season could just as easily be indicative of a declining population, according to research. (SEE 2020 Game Status and Trends Report 2020 https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/02217  ) Of particular concern was the 50% increase in black bear  harvest in 2019-20 documented in the report, following several years of devastating wildfires and drought in eastern Washington when habitat loss and resultant impact of a  food shortage may have led to desperate bears finding themselves more exposed in a wider-ranging search for food during fall hunts. The Commission approved the increased bag limit and season length in 2019 which led to the increased harvest, based on little to no current population data.

 So while the argument is strong that spring hunting of bears as they emerge from hibernation when they are thin, starving, lethargic and less able to avoid threats violates the hunting ethics of fair chase, in my opinion,  that is simply the underpinning of my vote against a spring bear hunt which was solidly based on the Department’s own data and failure to use that data in setting seasons and harvests. Why did staff not report what I am reporting to you now, and which is readily available online? Since I have been on the Commission we have not received a briefing on this research and the management implications, and I have had to do my own research, albeit of readily available sources on DFW’s own website.  That apparent lack of transparency should be of concern  to hunters and non-hunters alike who share a common dedication to being informed by the “Best Available Science” and to having that science made available to a well-informed Commission to factor into often difficult decisions.

Respectfully,

Lorna Smith

Wow. I suggest everyone read that report. They really got it done well. Now will we not only have spring seasons canceled but they are hamstringing the efforts to gain more info on the black bear population. Love how she quotes an increase in harvest but fails to mention a decline in harvest of females by percentage. Not to mention spring harvest is only about 15% of the total harvest. Something like 150 animals. So even if the population is what she says it is our harvest numbers are still well within guidelines. Basically she is full of it
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Re: Response from a "NO" vote, Lorna Smith
« Reply #198 on: November 22, 2021, 12:59:07 PM »
Lorna Smith is their Executive Director. That should provide insight into her perspective.

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Re: Contact the Commission - Spring Bear
« Reply #199 on: November 22, 2021, 01:19:58 PM »
Baker and Koontz are just as anti hunting as Lorna... they are just a lot smarter than she is. She is just the distraction so others can keep trimming down hunting opportunities.

Even if you wentnnwith 20k bears it would still jeep us in the top 5 states for most numbers of bears.

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Re: WDFW Commission Meeting Regarding Spring Bear Seasons This Morning
« Reply #200 on: November 22, 2021, 01:20:56 PM »
Didn't expect a different result!  Look no further then this last 2 years and the China Flu!  Same mentality, YOU WILL find it in ALL government agency's large or small and in most medical controlling boards!

They throw the word "science" into their dribble, making it sound like they follow it!!   When in real world "Reality" it never comes into their small, closed minds!

The Department of Game, told us all decades ago THEY weren't going to manage based on science!  See: Doe hunts Hint: were only going to last three years!  It only been going down hill since!
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Re: Response from a "NO" vote, Lorna Smith
« Reply #201 on: November 22, 2021, 01:26:58 PM »
Where is she getting this information from? "We also know that the state-wide population is much smaller (19-20,000 bears) than the previously believed"

Even if true we would still be in the top 5 states with the most black bears
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Re: Response from a "NO" vote, Lorna Smith
« Reply #202 on: November 22, 2021, 01:29:09 PM »
Lorna Smith is their Executive Director. That should provide insight into her perspective.

http://westernwildlife.org/

This link doesn't work Bob, FYI.
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Re: Response from a "NO" vote, Lorna Smith
« Reply #203 on: November 22, 2021, 01:30:14 PM »
They're blowing smoke up your arses and calling it science.


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Re: Response from a "NO" vote, Lorna Smith
« Reply #204 on: November 22, 2021, 01:46:06 PM »
Lorna Smith is their Executive Director. That should provide insight into her perspective.

http://westernwildlife.org/

Nice website, hasn't been updated in a few years, clearly spending all their time and money stopping bear hunts.
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Re: Response from a "NO" vote, Lorna Smith
« Reply #205 on: November 22, 2021, 01:48:43 PM »
Lorna Smith is their Executive Director. That should provide insight into her perspective.

http://westernwildlife.org/

Nice website, hasn't been updated in a few years, clearly spending all their time and money stopping bear hunts.

Her website even says 25,000 bears in WA, not the 19,000-20,000 she suggests as part of the reason for voting against Bear hunting.
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Re: Response from a "NO" vote, Lorna Smith
« Reply #206 on: November 22, 2021, 01:49:47 PM »
Run your mouths or contact some people...let's see what we can do or find out.
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Re: Response from a "NO" vote, Lorna Smith
« Reply #207 on: November 22, 2021, 01:52:36 PM »
Contact the Commission link - https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/contact

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Re: Response from a "NO" vote, Lorna Smith
« Reply #208 on: November 22, 2021, 02:29:54 PM »
Make noise people. Contact, email, call, post on Instagram tagging @thewdfw etc

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Re: Response from a "NO" vote, Lorna Smith
« Reply #209 on: November 22, 2021, 03:13:46 PM »
I sit on a board and if I don't see the information that I want to see in front of me to support or reject a proposal my default is not to vote no. I will suggest to my fellow board members that we table the proposal or motion and direct staff to produce the information that I want to see before further consideration. It seems like that might have been a reasonable option for this commissioner if she's really all about the science backing the decision.
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