BHA and WA Spring Bear??

[jackelope]

The hunting org’s are to blame for a lack of any sort of anything to fight this action.  So are we hunters. We’re famous for it. The anti hunting orgs are good at making this stuff happen. We’ll suffer because of it.

[jackelope]

Where was SCI, WWC, etc?

[ctwiggs1]

So IMO its not the hunting .orgs to blame. 

NOT BHA, not SCI not INWC none of them.


Hunters just don't give a chit until its gone. 

Hunting Washington forum is the most pro-active social media site I've seen in any platform BY FAR for Washington, even so it's less than 10% of all Washington hunters, and low participation in these threads.

On a hunting site like this....loosing spring bear thread ougt to eclipse a Kyle Rittenhouse thread 

Nailed it KF 👍

[highcountry_hunter]

So IMO its not the hunting .orgs to blame. 

NOT BHA, not SCI not INWC none of them.


Hunters just don't give a chit until its gone. 

Hunting Washington forum is the most pro-active social media site I've seen in any platform BY FAR for Washington, even so it's less than 10% of all Washington hunters, and low participation in these threads.

On a hunting site like this....loosing spring bear thread ougt to eclipse a Kyle Rittenhouse thread 

I couldn’t agree more. Seems the majority of hunters would rather bitch and moan about the results than be proactive before it happens.

[WAcoyotehunter]

So IMO its not the hunting .orgs to blame. 

NOT BHA, not SCI not INWC none of them.


Hunters just don't give a chit until its gone. 

Hunting Washington forum is the most pro-active social media site I've seen in any platform BY FAR for Washington, even so it's less than 10% of all Washington hunters, and low participation in these threads.

On a hunting site like this....loosing spring bear thread ougt to eclipse a Kyle Rittenhouse thread 

Bingo.  This site morphing into a political forum hasn't helped things.

[hunter399]

So IMO its not the hunting .orgs to blame. 

NOT BHA, not SCI not INWC none of them.


Hunters just don't give a chit until its gone. 

Hunting Washington forum is the most pro-active social media site I've seen in any platform BY FAR for Washington, even so it's less than 10% of all Washington hunters, and low participation in these threads.

On a hunting site like this....loosing spring bear thread ougt to eclipse a Kyle Rittenhouse thread 

Bingo.  This site morphing into a political forum hasn't helped things.

I commented on them removing permits, I believe I asked for OTC spring bear with some revisions to the regs.
Heck they where supposed to just decrease permits by 10 permits or something.
Even a lot of us that are more proactive with the department and commission didn't see this coming.
The anti's complain and they do whatever they want.
Us as hunters make suggestions ,we are told that we have to submit rule changes at three year management plan.
We as hunters have to wait three years to submit rule changes,then when submit,there's no guarantee that it turns into a proposal that the commission will even consider.
It's just BS
Just basically they make hunters jump through all the hoops to make rule changes ,the general public that don't even buy a licence have more say than we do.
You can't really blame it on hunters,the meeting was Durring prime hunting season,and we would get the shaft anyway.

[trophyhunt]

Agree with hunter399 on this.  What the hell can we do?  I've sent emails, made phone calls, suggestions..... THEY JUST DON'T GIVE A CRAP!!!  No matter what we say or do, they steer the ship where they want to.  They don't even care if we all didn't send them another dime, they'd love to see the whole program go under.  So, lets get another petition and make some more emails......

[hunter399]

Agree with hunter399 on this.  What the hell can we do?  I've sent emails, made phone calls, suggestions..... THEY JUST DON'T GIVE A CRAP!!!  No matter what we say or do, they steer the ship where they want to.  They don't even care if we all didn't send them another dime, they'd love to see the whole program go under.  So, lets get another petition and make some more emails......

I'm not saying we should give up.
This whole stunt is a political ,emotional,bunch of BS.
Basicly the anti's didn't submit this as a rule change,it should of never been voted on,and even if they did,we are not at the end of our three management plan. Where ending or pausing the season should even be considered.
All I'm saying or asking is why do these animal rights people don't have to jump through the same hoops as us hunters.

[hunter399]

There has to be a loop hole somewhere to repeal the commission. The fact that this is not what the "proposal" was is BS.

[hunter399]

I do think we all should send email to the department.
Asking that all future comments collected by the department should have to include a wild I'd # .
Basically if you don't take hunter ed,or have a wild id your
Voice is nothing.
How can we let people that don't even live in this state manage our wildlife. Don't put conservation dollars in have a bigger voice than guys like us who have paid hard earned money our whole lives to some of these programs.

Sorry for the rant posts.
I've been bitting my tongue ,watching this unfold.
Now I'm starting to get a little pissed.
Sorry.

[KFhunter]

I don't disagree with any of the above and that's why I said so many hunters have thrown in the towel.

We're fighting an uphill battle, but we have had some successes, so I think giving up isn't the right answer either.

Our #1 enemy to hunting is Jay Inslee, he makes these appointments and hampers WDFW in their efforts when it comes to wolf removals or predator hunting rule changes..he uses WDFW as a political tool pandering to the radical left voter, his base.

imo what hunters need to do is pressure the .orgs they belong too,  remember RMEF and wolves?  RMEF corporate hesitated  in coming out for wolf management, its membership raised hell and quit paying dues and donations (myself included) and they changed course and threw their influence behind wolf management.

BHA, SCI, WWC, NWWC all the .orgs we join need to feel pressure, they need to be the sheep dog that steers its flock into making these calls, participating in these meetings and basically taking the lefts playbook for ourselves.

We also need more participants from HW forums to answer the call.  I'm going to discuss this with HW management and see what we mods can do here to better spotlight this issue and drive up calls to action, if hunting in Washington is lost, what use is this forum? 

[KFhunter]

What happened to the law suit we heard about last spring?  Perhaps that needs revisited.

[hunter399]

What happened to the law suit we heard about last spring?  Perhaps that needs revisited.

It got dropped ,I think .
I might go back to the future 
And go back and watch the commission meeting leading up to this. Just to see how it was proposed and all the jazz leading up to this.
And try to see why and how this "emergency" closure went down. Since we are no where close to the three year management plan ,when rule changes should take place.

[bearpaw]

Sadly, I don't know if enough could have been done by anyone to save spring bear, until we get a governor that appoints hunters to the commission I think WA hunters will continue to lose hunting opportunities. 

[trophyhunt]

Sadly, I don't know if enough could have been done by anyone to save spring bear, until we get a governor that appoints hunters to the commission I think WA hunters will continue to lose hunting opportunities.