There is an area of 653 that permits are sold. Hancock used to manage it for the Muckleshoot tribe that owns it. I understand that there is a new manager, not sure who. It's pretty slim pickings in there for deer, way worse than Campbell land. I have had both passes for the last couple years. Unless you are going to target bear it's not worth the price or your time. If you're going for bear then it's comparable to Campbell, lots of bear.