Oregon Wolf Pack Poisoned

[birddogdad]

Oh I didn't need a recipe, I used to carry a pesticide license so I know plenty of things that would work. Milo strychnine for killing gophers would do just fine.

Can you even get that anymore?   I got a couple fields ate up with gophers and sesrched around for pellets and a gopher planter.

there was a greens keeper i saw once......

[SuperX]

Unfortunately, this is impossible to stop.  I'm surprised it hasn't happened more often.  I think some forget that it is only the good will of the hunting community makes this whole wolf experiment possible.  I don't like to imagine the scenario where this good will is lost
 

[WAcoyotehunter]

Sad to see explicit cheering of illegal actions that condemned some animals (who had no choice in their selection of species-level biology or geographic location) to a prolonged and agonizing death.  The anti's just love to see statements like that, I'm sure.

I hope I'm not alone on this site in this regard, and I don't believe I am, but I stand against actions like this.  Not the way to work towards resolution of conflict over management of wildlife (which is difficult, I am aware), or convince the broader public that hunters can be trusted in the stewardship of wildlife.

 


Terrible!!!


Perchance did the article mention a recipe? (Asking for a friend)

+1 who knows what else died on account of this poison.  Hopefully no one's pets

[meatwhack]

Unfortunately, this is impossible to stop.  I'm surprised it hasn't happened more often.  I think some forget that it is only the good will of the hunting community makes this whole wolf experiment possible.  I don't like to imagine the scenario where this good will is lost
 

I’d bet it has happened more often than people realize. In this instance it just happened to be a pack that was collared so it didn’t fly under the radar.

[KFhunter]

Gross mismanagement was always going to lead to public intolerance, look how far WDFW has fallen in public trust, especially when they call a wolf depredation on cattle an angry badger, a coyote, domestic dogs, or coyotes.."game wardens" had to freaking call Olympia to get approval to call it a wolf attack even when the calf was still alive, its arse eaten out, and the pack howling 100 yards away.

These actions led to Stevens County getting their own large carnivore person, Jeff Flood, and now Klickitat county is doing it over there.

More counties are going to follow suit.

WDFW is in a political quagmire, stalled, they cannot do their job.

[timberfaller]

 

[Hilltop123]

Gross mismanagement was always going to lead to public intolerance, look how far WDFW has fallen in public trust, especially when they call a wolf depredation on cattle an angry badger, a coyote, domestic dogs, or coyotes.."game wardens" had to freaking call Olympia to get approval to call it a wolf attack even when the calf was still alive, its arse eaten out, and the pack howling 100 yards away.

These actions led to Stevens County getting their own large carnivore person, Jeff Flood, and now Klickitat county is doing it over there.

More counties are going to follow suit.

WDFW is in a political quagmire, stalled, they cannot do their job.

"Gross mismanagement"? I think it's being managed just the way WDFW wants it managed.

[logola512c]

I understand what folks are saying, but I am also dismayed by support of other folks breaking the law, whether we might agree with that law or otherwise.  Some folks are apparently ok with people illegally killing wolves.  Folks want to ride their e-bikes on land where it isn't allowed because they want to write their own definition of what is a motor.  They want to hunt for free on timber company land and tribal land because they used to be able to.  They don't want to submit a tooth for WDFW research because well...screw the WDFW. Folks want to carry a firearm in businesses that say no weapons. The list goes on. Continuing the train of thought, why should we feel constrained to a 3-point minimum in mule deer units?  Why even follow the season dates, for that matter? And the license and tag fees?  Why give that money to the f'ing WDFW???  Take some steps down a slippery slope and there might not be any rules at all. 

[KFhunter]

Because for years we played by the rules while "they" do not.

They spike trees, block logging, remove cattle from range lands, block mining, block predator management...just for starters.  They're blocking all consumptive use of forest lands.   They attack what "we" do from all angles, and now they're sitting on the commission.

We've lost, its a forgone conclusion that hunting in western blue states is slowly going away, it's just a matter of time.

Western red states are reducing nonresident tags because of us not hunting here at home.

[Special T]

I understand what folks are saying, but I am also dismayed by support of other folks breaking the law, whether we might agree with that law or otherwise.  Some folks are apparently ok with people illegally killing wolves.  Folks want to ride their e-bikes on land where it isn't allowed because they want to write their own definition of what is a motor.  They want to hunt for free on timber company land and tribal land because they used to be able to.  They don't want to submit a tooth for WDFW research because well...screw the WDFW. Folks want to carry a firearm in businesses that say no weapons. The list goes on. Continuing the train of thought, why should we feel constrained to a 3-point minimum in mule deer units?  Why even follow the season dates, for that matter? And the license and tag fees?  Why give that money to the f'ing WDFW???  Take some steps down a slippery slope and there might not be any rules at all.

When citizens are ignored, blamed, defamed, and financially hurt without remedy you will see abandonment of the law. While  we dont have to accept this lawbreaking, acknowledgement isnt approval. The Anti Hunting forces wont treat sportsmen better if/we condemn  these actions. they will just use them against us. Make no mistake  the "Middle Ground" is sportsmen continually capitulating until our sport is gone, or so reduced that it cannot influence the general public sentiment.

[Tinmaniac]

I understand what folks are saying, but I am also dismayed by support of other folks breaking the law, whether we might agree with that law or otherwise.  Some folks are apparently ok with people illegally killing wolves.  Folks want to ride their e-bikes on land where it isn't allowed because they want to write their own definition of what is a motor.  They want to hunt for free on timber company land and tribal land because they used to be able to.  They don't want to submit a tooth for WDFW research because well...screw the WDFW. Folks want to carry a firearm in businesses that say no weapons. The list goes on. Continuing the train of thought, why should we feel constrained to a 3-point minimum in mule deer units?  Why even follow the season dates, for that matter? And the license and tag fees?  Why give that money to the f'ing WDFW???  Take some steps down a slippery slope and there might not be any rules at all.

Don't cloud the issue with facts and common sense,this group wants to go to war.murica right?Funny how short the distance is between the ghetto and the double wide

[KFhunter]

It'll be used against us weither or not we condone, or disavow it.  It matters not.

[SuperX]

I understand what folks are saying, but I am also dismayed by support of other folks breaking the law, whether we might agree with that law or otherwise.  Some folks are apparently ok with people illegally killing wolves.  Folks want to ride their e-bikes on land where it isn't allowed because they want to write their own definition of what is a motor.  They want to hunt for free on timber company land and tribal land because they used to be able to.  They don't want to submit a tooth for WDFW research because well...screw the WDFW. Folks want to carry a firearm in businesses that say no weapons. The list goes on. Continuing the train of thought, why should we feel constrained to a 3-point minimum in mule deer units?  Why even follow the season dates, for that matter? And the license and tag fees?  Why give that money to the f'ing WDFW???  Take some steps down a slippery slope and there might not be any rules at all.

When citizens are ignored, blamed, defamed, and financially hurt without remedy you will see abandonment of the law. While  we dont have to accept this lawbreaking, acknowledgement isnt approval. The Anti Hunting forces wont treat sportsmen better if/we condemn  these actions. they will just use them against us. Make no mistake  the "Middle Ground" is sportsmen continually capitulating until our sport is gone, or so reduced that it cannot influence the general public sentiment.

Well put. 

[pianoman9701]

I understand what folks are saying, but I am also dismayed by support of other folks breaking the law, whether we might agree with that law or otherwise.  Some folks are apparently ok with people illegally killing wolves.  Folks want to ride their e-bikes on land where it isn't allowed because they want to write their own definition of what is a motor.  They want to hunt for free on timber company land and tribal land because they used to be able to.  They don't want to submit a tooth for WDFW research because well...screw the WDFW. Folks want to carry a firearm in businesses that say no weapons. The list goes on. Continuing the train of thought, why should we feel constrained to a 3-point minimum in mule deer units?  Why even follow the season dates, for that matter? And the license and tag fees?  Why give that money to the f'ing WDFW???  Take some steps down a slippery slope and there might not be any rules at all.

Don't cloud the issue with facts and common sense,this group wants to go to war.murica right?Funny how short the distance is between the ghetto and the double wide

The wolf issue is contentious because the introduction of them into the GYA was done illegally without the proper wildlife impacts being studied, without adequate medical treatment to ensure the wolves that were released wouldn't spread disease, and false testimony to Congress regarding all of these topics. The spread of the Canadian wolves has decimated ungulate herds in the areas where they have been allowed to flourish. Cattle business have been particularly hard-hit because the wolves haven't been restricted to remote and wilderness areas, often propagating in populated areas, and preying on easy food - cattle, sheep, pets, and soon, little people. Some, whose families, livelihoods, and traditions have been threatened have chosen to fight these predators with means just as legal as those which were used to introduce them. In other words, illegal means. I don't condone poaching and I certainly understand how a rancher looking at the decimation of his calves might take controlling them into his own hands. The WA state wolf plan was specifically designed to make it next to impossible to meet conditions for further management. OR is similar. And now, with the wildlife commission infested with animal rights organization members, it's doubtful they'll ever be managed, whether or not they meet the "lofty" plan guidelines. I understand that those negatively affective have decided that enough is enough and they must take actions to protect that which they value into their own hands.

[LDennis24]

Oh I didn't need a recipe, I used to carry a pesticide license so I know plenty of things that would work. Milo strychnine for killing gophers would do just fine.

Can you even get that anymore?   I got a couple fields ate up with gophers and searched around for pellets and a gopher planter.

Yeah you could a few years ago but you have to sign paperwork and agree to only place it underground, not on the surface and you have to tell them what field your using it in. It comes in plain white paper feed bags and has a small inconspicuous label on it.