Washingtonians for Wildlife Conservation

[Mtnwalker]

Glad to see you guys on here, but fully agree with what a few others have said. I'll reiterate a response I had on another thread toward HHC because it applies equally here as well. I have been a hunter in WA for two and a half decades, and I've also never heard of either of these groups (WWC or HHC) until now. I'm not overly involved in the political side of hunting but I do believe I'm more informed than the average hunter. I have also been actively searching for Washington-specific orgs that are having a net positive impact at the state local level and are worth donating my hard earned money, and maybe time, to. So like Karl said, where have you guys been? I'd think a site like this would be ground zero for an organization like WWC to get their word out. A common problem I see among pro sportsman orgs is they assume people in the game already know who they are and they really don't do enough to get their name and mission statement out there to the general sporting public. Hopefully that can be remedied going forward.

[bearpaw]

Just joined at the $100 associate level.

Click here to learn more and join if you can.

http://www.w4wc.org/membership.html

Good job Raninier10! 
I was going to do the same, I think this is our best option, the most organized group to help prevent further season losses.

But it seems they only accept google pay online?

@WWC
Can you take paypal? What other payment methods are accepted for membership, where would a person send a check?

[Rainier10]

Just joined at the $100 associate level.

Click here to learn more and join if you can.

http://www.w4wc.org/membership.html

Good job Raninier10! 
I was going to do the same, I think this is our best option, the most organized group to help prevent further season losses.

But it seems they only accept google pay online?

@WWC
Can you take paypal? What other payment methods are accepted for membership, where would a person send a check?

I clicked on add to cart and then checkout and it allowed me to pay with my credit card.   There was also an option for a mail application at the top of the link I provided and you can send a check with that application.
mail in membership application
http://www.w4wc.org/uploads/3/4/7/0/34704266/membership_flyer_2018-03-10border_snoqualmie.pdf

[Karl Blanchard]

Just joined at the $100 associate level.

Click here to learn more and join if you can.

http://www.w4wc.org/membership.html

Good job Raninier10! 
I was going to do the same, I think this is our best option, the most organized group to help prevent further season losses.

But it seems they only accept google pay online?

@WWC
Can you take paypal? What other payment methods are accepted for membership, where would a person send a check?

you can pay with credit card. Add membership to cart, select cart (top right corner) then check out.

[Angry Perch]

Just joined at the $100 associate level.

Click here to learn more and join if you can.

http://www.w4wc.org/membership.html

Ditto

[Special T]

First off, thank you WWC for posting and welcome to huntwa

With that said, why now? And by that I mean where was this post rallying the troops before the bear vote in the council?  I want my money going to organizations that are proactive not reactive. As huntnw mentioned, I've never even heard of WWC or HHC.  Its very easy to reach people via social media these days. Maybe another volunteer dedicated to SM and PR is in order. Ive been saying this entire time post spring bear loss, where are  and where were our hunting rights organizations? Folks that were paying attention knew this was coming but besides a thread on this forum there was no call to arms 

Please don't don't take my comments as a personal attack as its not intended that way as I'm sure WWC has done some great things that we don't know about but if WWC and HHC want folks to part with their hard earned money they need to see what its going towards    anyone on this forum thats been around will attest that I'm the first guy to put up or shut up so give me a reason. What is WWC and HHC going to do to help get our spring season back?

There were several posts by @SpecialT and I believe @bushcraft spelling out the threats. It's spring bear, it sucks, but it's probably a good wake up call to all consumptive users. I mean all consumptive users, the fish are in their cross hairs as well.

I learned about WWC from Bushcraft on here. One of the sportsmen organization was a past supporter and it fell off the organizations radar but renewed after some investigation. I joined Washinton Waterfowl Association and realized they belonged as well.  The Facebook page seems to have relevant information posted so I have shared some of it here from time to time. The fact is we all need to find a consistent way to be involved. One of the things I love seeing on here is the "done" posts. Hopefully WWC joining  the forum will provide a rally point to push back against the Anti hunting forces. They are gunning for us. They unify and raise more $ for the fight while we bicker between weapon types, Indians, and who is unfairly getting a shrinking slice of the pie.

[wadu1]

Associate Membership as well.
I agree with Karl, this org is hard to find on the web. I didn't know our sportsman's club was a member, it's listed on the WWC site. I did verify with the office that the club is still paying membership. I will be adding it as a talking point at the next BOD meeting (12/30).

[Special T]

Glad to see you guys on here, but fully agree with what a few others have said. I'll reiterate a response I had on another thread toward HHC because it applies equally here as well. I have been a hunter in WA for two and a half decades, and I've also never heard of either of these groups (WWC or HHC) until now. I'm not overly involved in the political side of hunting but I do believe I'm more informed than the average hunter. I have also been actively searching for Washington-specific orgs that are having a net positive impact at the state local level and are worth donating my hard earned money, and maybe time, to. So like Karl said, where have you guys been? I'd think a site like this would be ground zero for an organization like WWC to get their word out. A common problem I see among pro sportsman orgs is they assume people in the game already know who they are and they really don't do enough to get their name and mission statement out there to the general sporting public. Hopefully that can be remedied going forward.

I've been a long time members of Silver Arrow Bowman archery club. What I can tell you is that recruiting members to work on the course, glue targets and such is 10x easier that finding someone to maintain the website and advertise and keep everyone informed.  I highly doubt my experience is much different than other volunteer organizations.

[Karl Blanchard]

Glad to see you guys on here, but fully agree with what a few others have said. I'll reiterate a response I had on another thread toward HHC because it applies equally here as well. I have been a hunter in WA for two and a half decades, and I've also never heard of either of these groups (WWC or HHC) until now. I'm not overly involved in the political side of hunting but I do believe I'm more informed than the average hunter. I have also been actively searching for Washington-specific orgs that are having a net positive impact at the state local level and are worth donating my hard earned money, and maybe time, to. So like Karl said, where have you guys been? I'd think a site like this would be ground zero for an organization like WWC to get their word out. A common problem I see among pro sportsman orgs is they assume people in the game already know who they are and they really don't do enough to get their name and mission statement out there to the general sporting public. Hopefully that can be remedied going forward.

I've been a long time members of Silver Arrow Bowman archery club. What I can tell you is that recruiting members to work on the course, glue targets and such is 10x easier that finding someone to maintain the website and advertise and keep everyone informed.  I highly doubt my experience is much different than other volunteer organizations.

I can believe that for sure. Its a specialized skill. Gotta be someone out there thats willing to do it though 

I can say that if I was strictly just browsing the internet and came across WWC's webpage I don't think I'd be swiping my card. Heck their volunteer page hasn't been updated since 2018. There's no mention of past battles fought. Nothing selling themselves and saying to me give them your money Karl. I swiped my card because of you supporting them Special T. Plain and simple. You've been a rock solid member of this forum for years and your continual knowledge of the issues is always appreciated. Now that I'm a card carrying member, I hope to be more informed of the backdoor fighting that has apparently been raging on our behalf 


I'll pose my question again...what was WWC's plan to combat the loss of spring bear and now that its gone, what is the plan moving forward?

[Special T]

Like a lot of folks wanting to do something it has left me scratching my head. Yelling at director  Susewind hurts us. The 3 commissioners Baker, Koontz, and Smith don't care what we think. Carpenter screwing us is strange and Linville seemed to be the swing vote normally.
The state Natural Resource Committee is dominated by anti hunters. Normally that is who you would write but VanDeWege is a HSUS supporter So how effective is it? If anti hunters are running the Committee  then why did they not bring them up for a conformation vote? Top that with Carpenter ran for city council in Mount Vernon which would have made him in illegible,  and yet he was reappointed. He is chair again and the swing vote Linville is vice chair.

Smith is dumb and seems to be the lightning rod of sportsmen anger. She can probably  be ousted. Is her overt anti hunting talk and association cover to put in More "reasonable" commissioners... that will still screw us, and allow Koontz to stay on? Whom BTW I personally think is the most dangerous person on the Commission. He has just the right background to question and manipulate the numbers. Evidence of this is hispush to lower the management objective in the blues.

This stuff can get really inside baseball so it's hard to know, so I'm Curious as well.

[Karl Blanchard]

Larry's vote is the one that really stings and his lack of clarification seems telling of what likely went down behind closed doors.  At least with the anti's we know what we are up against.

If procedure was indeed violated and rcw's broken as some have posted in other threads, why is nobody taking legal action? The anti's seem to be made up of lawyers and millionaires ready to back them. Is there no hunting rights lawyers out there ready to take up the fight? These are just general questions ive been pondering and honestly don't know the answer to them. They are not directed at any organization so nobody flame me for asking 

[Special T]

Larry's vote is the one that really stings and his lack of clarification seems telling of what likely went down behind closed doors.  At least with the anti's we know what we are up against.

If procedure was indeed violated and rcw's broken as some have posted in other threads, why is nobody taking legal action? The anti's seem to be made up of lawyers and millionaires ready to back them. Is there no hunting rights lawyers out there ready to take up the fight? These are just general questions ive been pondering and honestly don't know the answer to them. They are not directed at any organization so nobody flame me for asking 

My hypothesis is that, in general, the WDFW operates from a position of weakness. Meaning that  those whom can apply pressure get more. Sportsmen rarely sue so likely as the easiest to overlook.  I am not a lawyer, but if we look at the national sue and settle techniques  something approaching that is likely at play.  Since the Antis are constantly suing and hunters rarely do it's easier to take from sportsmen one slice at a time. Sportsmen have not built up the protest/advocacy infrastructure the Antis have... not to mention hunting sporting goods companies are cheap. They don't actually want to engage the fight. They want non confrontational habitat groups. Which is one of the reasons I no longer belong to them... but I digress

[WWC]

In a different thread it was asked "Where were the sportsmen groups?" and screen shots of different sportsmen groups posts. So I thought we would share a couple of screen shots of our Facebook page metrics. We share this without judgement or bragging but just want to show we are doing something, and that we recognize that we can always do more. It is part of the reason we are here. Converting information into action is the most important part to sharing calls to action. If you are on Facebook you can help by "Liking" the page and sharing posts to your personal page. Sharing to groups help but as you can see from the call to action "before post" and "after post" more people showed the bad news than the call to action. Facebook has gone through some interesting changes and sharing on personal pages has increased reach.

[WWC]

Just joined at the $100 associate level.

Click here to learn more and join if you can.

http://www.w4wc.org/membership.html

Good job Raninier10! 
I was going to do the same, I think this is our best option, the most organized group to help prevent further season losses.

But it seems they only accept google pay online?

@WWC
Can you take paypal? What other payment methods are accepted for membership, where would a person send a check?

We take credit cards and old fashioned checks, and it appears that Karl explained it. The Google Pay does have a predominate place implicating it is the main way to join but that is not the case.

[WWC]

These are some screen shots of the letter sent by Hunters Heritage Council sent in October well before the deadline for the first submission. Some details have been trimmed for the sake of privacy. WWC and HHC had speakers lined up to give testimony but Commissioner Carpenter told the public written testimony had equal weight. We also know that member organizations wrote letters as well.