Grizz poaching in ID

[logola512c]

I always laugh a little when I read the comments on the news stories.  Inevitably the commenters say that poachers should never be allowed to hunt again or get any hunting licenses.  Do they not realize that hunting without a license is almost literally the definition of poaching...  It's like not letting someone get a driver's license  that is arrested multiple times for driving without a license...

[Duckslayer89]

I always laugh a little when I read the comments on the news stories.  Inevitably the commenters say that poachers should never be allowed to hunt again or get any hunting licenses.  Do they not realize that hunting without a license is almost literally the definition of poaching...  It's like not letting someone get a driver's license  that is arrested multiple times for driving without a license...

I know it’s laughable but also not funny they always talk like the poachers are just hunters who shot something out of season. Throwing us all in the same little group

[OutHouse]

How does IDFG get a warrant to force Google to release information on cell phones in the area? That doesn't seem entirely legal?
There must be more to that request.

All they have to do is present sufficient facts to the judge who signs the warrant. Here, the officer probably detailed his knowledge of how google can track electronic devices and thus he has reasonable grounds (probable cause) to believe that the suspect's device could be identified by google. Judge signs, serve the warrant on google, and presto chango all devices in the area at the time are identified. They do this in criminal cases because they can get a general idea of where your phone was by triangulating with cell towers. They serve a warrant on your provider in that instance.

[OutHouse]

Case is not solved!  Just showed the dude was there.  More sensational, quick judgement thinking.   

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2021/12/father-and-son-charged-in-death-of-mother-grizzly-bear/

Sounds like they confessed

Looks like they confessed to shooting it but I didn't see that they presented any justification. Time will tell.

[pickardjw]

Case is not solved!  Just showed the dude was there.  More sensational, quick judgement thinking.   

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2021/12/father-and-son-charged-in-death-of-mother-grizzly-bear/

Sounds like they confessed

Looks like they confessed to shooting it but I didn't see that they presented any justification. Time will tell.

Yeah that's what I saw. That's a way better article too. I assume one could claim self defense and get off with a slap on the wrist for not reporting with a good lawyer. But they said that they both took shots at the bear with the gun so...that doesn't look good. Sow with cub is definitely a situation where self defense would be probable.

[pianoman9701]

If the father and son had just refused to talk to law enforcement the case would have gone nowhere.
For some reason people want to talk to the police.

t=5s

The people who most screw themselves by talking to police are usually those who support the police and think they're just being good citizens by being truthful. You see this all the time in true crime where a guy becomes a suspect because of how forthcoming he is to the LE, instead of just saying "it's time for a lawyer".

[ganghis]

That's a great video.  I guess my point in starting this thread was less about guilt or innocence of the accused, but more about the technology that was used to catch them.  I really doubt there's many people that would think "hey I'm going to turn my cell off and go around and try to find a wolf to shoot even though its illegal."  More likely, it would be a random encounter when you're doing ordinary things with your phone (like using onX or whatever).  So folks should just be aware of the technology that might be brought to bear against them if they make the decision to shoot. 

[logola512c]

That's a great video.  I guess my point in starting this thread was less about guilt or innocence of the accused, but more about the technology that was used to catch them.  I really doubt there's many people that would think "hey I'm going to turn my cell off and go around and try to find a wolf to shoot even though its illegal."  More likely, it would be a random encounter when you're doing ordinary things with your phone (like using onX or whatever).  So folks should just be aware of the technology that might be brought to bear against them if they make the decision to shoot.

Can the reverse also be true, though?  Can they use a cell phone that is powered up to find someone that is lost or injured?  Or is this a GPS log that is uploaded after a person gets back into coverage? Just wondering if there's any good that can come of it.

[Bullkllr]

This is one reason I only use burners.

[Dan-o]

This is one reason I only use burners.

You have FN5.7 burners?

That gets expensive.

[Special T]

This is one reason I only use burners.

This discussion takes you down a forensic rabbit hole. If you've called anyone or txt then the correlation data can triangulate you.  I'm not sure you can cover up something like this event. It would have to be planned an even then you would have to know as much as a cop does.

[snake]

Friend of mines dad, who spent 10 years in prison. Gave me some advice, he said " If you are guilty, hire a good lawyer.  If you are innocent, hire a good lawyer."

[pianoman9701]

Friend of mines dad, who spent 10 years in prison. Gave me some advice, he said " If you are guilty, hire a good lawyer.  If you are innocent, hire a good lawyer."

 

[Broomd]

But the FBI can't figure out who the guy wearing red on Jan 6th in DC is. Uh huh suuuure

Yep, we're living in dark times.