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Beware: WDFW new recreation Plan HORRIBLE
« on: January 10, 2022, 10:45:12 AM »
I just got a sneak peek at the new draft 10 year WDFW recreation plan.  I review alot of these things and this one is just AWFUL.  The whole purpose seems to be to limit recreation in all forms, everywhere.  It uses the words tribe/tribal 55 times and hunter/angler/recreationist/hiker/horse a grand total of 38 times as a group!
It's #1 goal is "use and impact monitoring".  It focuses on the negatives of recreational use while completely omitting the historical fact that recreational users bought and paid for most of these lands in the first place!  Without recreational use, and the public support that come with it, there would simply be no habitat or wildlife areas to fight over.

It oozes liberalism, equity, climate change and identity politics, and even basically suggests that current traditional users are bigots and have no tolerance for diversity of race, ethnicity, sexual orientation which has lead to "user conflicts".  Sure smells of "critical race theory" to me. 

Here's the quote:

"People intolerant of diversity are prone to conflict. Unwillingness to share resources or space with
members of other groups based on their race, gender-identity, ability, or class is expressed on public
lands as in society at large."  (with no citation to 'prove it')

https://wdfw.wa.gov/licenses/environmental/sepa/open-comments
« Last Edit: January 11, 2022, 11:20:40 AM by fireweed »

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Re: Beware: WDFW new recreation Plan HORRIBLE
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2022, 10:56:36 AM »
Seen these the other day for sale.
If I buy these unisex boots ,then I must be gender neutral .
And have more recreational rights than everybody else.
Unicorns and rainbows everywhere!!!!!
Not surprisingly this climate change BS is getting old and it's just the beginning.

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Re: Beware: WDFW new recreation Plan HORRIBLE
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2022, 11:14:50 AM »
I just got a sneak peek at the new draft 10 year WDFW recreation plan.  I review alot of these things and this one is just AWFUL.  The whole purpose seems to be to limit recreation in all forms, everywhere.  It uses the words tribe/tribal 55 times and hunter/angler/recreationist/hiker/horse a grand total of 38 times as a group!
It's #1 goal is "use and impact monitoring".  It focuses on the negatives of recreational use while completely omitting the historical fact that recreational users bought and paid for most of these lands in the first place!  Without recreational use, and the public support that come with it, there would simply be no habitat or wildlife areas to fight over.

It oozes liberalism, equity, climate change and identity politics, and even basically suggests that current traditional users are bigots and have no tolerance for diversity of race, ethnicity, sexual orientation which has lead to "user conflicts".  Sure smells of "critical race theory" to me. 

Here's the quote:

"People intolerant of diversity are prone to conflict. Unwillingness to share resources or space with
members of other groups based on their race, gender-identity, ability, or class is expressed on public
lands as in society at large."  (with no citation to 'prove it')

Slowly taking away opportunities and freedoms in society. Just a matter of time until high character law abiding citizens become criminals as they say enough is enough and just do what they want and screw the state and its ludicrous rules.

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Re: Beware: WDFW new recreation Plan HORRIBLE
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2022, 11:20:28 AM »
Color me shocked...
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Re: Beware: WDFW new recreation Plan HORRIBLE
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2022, 11:25:04 AM »
 

Here's the quote:

"People intolerant of diversity are prone to conflict. Unwillingness to share resources or space with
members of other groups based on their race, gender-identity, ability, or class is expressed on public
lands as in society at large."  (with no citation to 'prove it')

[/quote]

Anyway we can find the author/s of this piece ?  Can we see the plan as its written ?  Needs to be a vehicle posted up for comments so we can flood the source of this bs.

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Re: Beware: WDFW new recreation Plan HORRIBLE
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2022, 11:26:29 AM »
Seen these the other day for sale.
If I buy these unisex boots ,then I must be gender neutral .
And have more recreational rights than everybody else.
Unicorns and rainbows everywhere!!!!!
Not surprisingly this climate change BS is getting old and it's just the beginning.


You should be looking for no-sex boots  :chuckle:

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Re: Beware: WDFW new recreation Plan HORRIBLE
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2022, 11:30:01 AM »
What do you expect if you shop boots, shoes, clothes (anything) at walmart.

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Re: Beware: WDFW new recreation Plan HORRIBLE
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2022, 11:48:55 AM »
Seen these the other day for sale.
If I buy these unisex boots ,then I must be gender neutral .
And have more recreational rights than everybody else.
Unicorns and rainbows everywhere!!!!!
Not surprisingly this climate change BS is getting old and it's just the beginning.


You should be looking for no-sex boots  :chuckle:
True that,true that...... :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

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Re: Beware: WDFW new recreation Plan HORRIBLE
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2022, 01:06:18 PM »
Public lands belong to all of us and everyone's right to use them should be respected.

There are cases where limiting the use of public land is the best course. River permits like the middle fork salmon come to mind. Maybe it is time to limit some kinds of use in some areas. For example popular hiking areas within striking distance of Seattle get hundreds and hundreds of users on the same trail every weekend in the summer. Maybe 500 people trying to day hike the enchantments every Saturday makes the experience not great and has a very high impact. I don't know, I avoid the popular stuff.

I have met black people who claim they have faced some sort of discrimination in the field. Nothing extreme just some idiots calling them Ni***** when they were fishing in the same spot. That sucks and shouldn't happen, but to be fair I would bet most of us have been discriminated by another while hunting or fishing. I know people here have experienced it from anti hunters. Heck I have had someone shoot over my head a dozen or so times while I was fishing in front of the guys house. I was legal but this guy didn't want me there. I left and chose not to get too upset.

I think most people in the "woke" crowd don't know what diversity is. "Diversity" is often used as a term to mean "everyone should think like me". Sure diversity is gay, black, gender fluid, birdwatching and trail running. But diversity is also people who think different than you and have different values. Diversity is also trapping, four wheeling, hunting and fishing. We can't let them forget that.

I guess what I am saying is that as long as sportsmen (or sportsthem lol) stay involved and continue to be the most passionate parties at the table we should be OK.

The quote basically says that public land is as racist as everywhere else in society. If you know some history or have travelled much you would know modern America is a f@&* of a lot less racist than any other time or place in the history fo the world.

I would like to read it myself, sounds like another reason to write a few emails and get on a commission meeting.
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Re: Beware: WDFW new recreation Plan HORRIBLE
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2022, 01:15:40 PM »
I just got a sneak peek at the new draft 10 year WDFW recreation plan.  I review alot of these things and this one is just AWFUL.  The whole purpose seems to be to limit recreation in all forms, everywhere.  It uses the words tribe/tribal 55 times and hunter/angler/recreationist/hiker/horse a grand total of 38 times as a group!
It's #1 goal is "use and impact monitoring".  It focuses on the negatives of recreational use while completely omitting the historical fact that recreational users bought and paid for most of these lands in the first place!  Without recreational use, and the public support that come with it, there would simply be no habitat or wildlife areas to fight over.

It oozes liberalism, equity, climate change and identity politics, and even basically suggests that current traditional users are bigots and have no tolerance for diversity of race, ethnicity, sexual orientation which has lead to "user conflicts".  Sure smells of "critical race theory" to me. 

Here's the quote:

"People intolerant of diversity are prone to conflict. Unwillingness to share resources or space with
members of other groups based on their race, gender-identity, ability, or class is expressed on public
lands as in society at large."  (with no citation to 'prove it')

Slowly taking away opportunities and freedoms in society. Just a matter of time until high character law abiding citizens become criminals as they say enough is enough and just do what they want and screw the state and its ludicrous rules.
Winner winner! That’s what I have said all along. If you change enough rules and make enough stupid laws you can make anybody a criminal.

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Re: Beware: WDFW new recreation Plan HORRIBLE
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2022, 01:18:01 PM »
My dad is the most law-abiding person I know. He’s never even got a speeding ticket. But I know for a fact there are laws he is breaking now. They have been put in place in the last 5 to 10 years some of which infringe on his property rights that have been in the family for over 120 years. So there’s a perfect example of someone who would never break the law who does now because there is just no reason or common sense behind some of these rules and regulations they are putting through now. Like he says I’m the one that screwed because he’s just gonna keep doing what he wants and then he’ll be dead before anything catches up to him

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Re: Beware: WDFW new recreation Plan HORRIBLE
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2022, 01:22:00 PM »
WDFW has let us all down.

Wake up people and become their problem.

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Re: Beware: WDFW new recreation Plan HORRIBLE
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2022, 01:59:17 PM »
I'm curious about specifics. Generalities don't hep us influence positive change.

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Re: Beware: WDFW new recreation Plan HORRIBLE
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Re: Beware: WDFW new recreation Plan HORRIBLE
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2022, 02:36:33 PM »
Public lands belong to all of us and everyone's right to use them should be respected.

There are cases where limiting the use of public land is the best course. River permits like the middle fork salmon come to mind. Maybe it is time to limit some kinds of use in some areas. For example popular hiking areas within striking distance of Seattle get hundreds and hundreds of users on the same trail every weekend in the summer. Maybe 500 people trying to day hike the enchantments every Saturday makes the experience not great and has a very high impact. I don't know, I avoid the popular stuff.


You are in luck then because that is exactly what the WDFW is proposing.

WDFW will analyze options for developing and testing permitting systems for WDFW-managed lands that limit recreation activities and access based on an area’s carrying capacity for seasonal and year-round use
« Last Edit: January 10, 2022, 02:43:12 PM by fireweed »

 


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