Spring bear public comment is open

[duckmen1]

Commented.

We will all comment but will probably see the Anti effect of our department anyhow. But hopefully they will open there eyes a little. And hope spring bear is reversed to what we have seen for years. Still believe we could do a over the counter hunt in this state and have a positive outcome. They could even seperate a spring bear license from a fall bear license to make the revenue. I would support that.

Still can't believe they are trying to outlaw baiting deer and elk with the already limited restrictions and are using the reasons they are when they have feed stations set through the state. Blows my mind the hypicritical aspect we see on things.

[Mr Mykiss]

Just to be clear I can spend all day and all night just posting constructive comments to this never ending comment board??

[pickardjw]

Oof...not the kind of "support" comment you like to see 

Reminder to be respectful with your comments. The anti's don't make comments like these.

[Tbar]

Oof...not the kind of "support" comment you like to see 

Reminder to be respectful with your comments. The anti's don't make comments like these.

Pickard, have you heard the vicious attacks on commissioners who support hunting? The AR folks are better at reiterating a point but down right vicious at times.  People are fed up! I do believe channeling that anger with focus is good but I also don't mind it when a little person truths come out.  Wildlife management needs to be criticized in this state. 

[pickardjw]

I have not seen evidence of these vicious attacks, no. That's not to say that they don't exist. Maybe they're smart and keep them out of view of the greater public.

I don't see how cussing out the Commission and calling them morons is constructive.

[bracer40]

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[Tbar]

I have not seen evidence of these vicious attacks, no. That's not to say that they don't exist. Maybe they're smart and keep them out of view of the greater public.

I don't see how cussing out the Commission and calling them morons is constructive.

Are you serious? "They're smart"? Did you follow the Coyote contest? The op-ed attacks? The questioning of the bear density data? The legislature mandated cougar public safety implementation?  All of these were accompanied by many attacks by AR folks.

IMHO passionate, real sometimes off color articulation of the situation at hand is not all bad.  We all have losses to explain and I hate to see the momentum lost because people need to censor their rhetoric to extremes. I also look at the root of the anger and passion, this speaks volumes and I truly believe has a place in compelling the naive majority of this state and beyond who don't hunt or fish but do not oppose.  So a mix of well articulated fact based rhetoric with an occasional punch in the gut sits well with me.  I can tell you from experience well spoken echo chambers or the constant high road has not proven effective in my walk. Tell your story and hope they listen.

[Ghost Hunter]

At least pick a legitimate point.     Can't call them morons for something the people voted in.   

Washington Bear-Baiting Act, Initiative 655 (1996 ...
The Washington Bear-Baiting Initiative, also known as Initiative 655, was on the November 5, 1996 ballot in Washington as an Initiative to the People, where it was approved. The measure categorized hunting for black bears with bait and black bears, cougars, bobcats, and lynxes with dogs, as gross misdemeanors.

[pickardjw]

Again, no I have not seen evidence of anti's cussing out or insulting the WDFW or F&G Commission in writing. Feel free to link to examples.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion. Mine is that cussing out and name calling the people you're trying to convince to support your cause is detrimental. I've never seen a debate won be cussing out the judges. Never seen a jury swayed by calling them morons. 

If I were undecided on this issue (like our 3 new Commissioner might be) and read that, I would be moved against supporting the commenter's position.

[Tbar]

Again, no I have not seen evidence of anti's cussing out or insulting the WDFW or F&G Commission in writing. Feel free to link to examples.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion. Mine is that cussing out and name calling the people you're trying to convince to support your cause is detrimental. I've never seen a debate won be cussing out the judges. Never seen a jury swayed by calling them morons. 

If I were undecided on this issue (like our 3 new Commissioner might be) and read that, I would be moved against supporting the commenter's position.

Did you listen to any of the commission processes that I referenced? Show us the path to success, please! I've watched hundreds of hours of testimony and have seen more attacks than I can count.  I do believe they need to pull their head out of the sand. I do believe their is infiltration by biased employees that need to be singled out and identified for what they represent.  I do not think your rank and file Washington resident is pro or against and did not appoint or hire these individuals.  If hounds are the best tool for managing certain species than a message in many forms may be warranted.  You seem to be well versed so guide us.  You must have stepped out each time a vicious attacks on hunters and supporters of consumptive users, this seems odd that you've missed them with your vast knowledge. 

[Tbar]

To be clear the commission cannot repeal a citizen initiative.  Hound hunting will need legislation to return.  Sound management should be the goal of policy makers and its safe to say that most policy makers do not have a history of effectiveness or efficiency of hounds as a tool.  I believe there reason and merit to reminding people of the tools of the trade if there's ever a desire to see them again (even if it's not likely).

[Wunderlich33]

Comment completed

[Skyvalhunter]

Thanks Jeff much appreciated

[emac]

Tbar is correct about the anti's attacks.  It's always ok if they do but if a hunter or someone that isn't inline with them does it then it is disrespectful.  Kinda like when trump was president the left was fine with all the attacks on him there were no boundaries.  No with biden if you say let's go Brandon they loose their minds and shame anyone for doing it.  It all comes down to being inline with there agenda and if you are you can get away with anything.

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[Skyvalhunter]

Lefts are more radical these days and have no problem throwing those that dont agree with their agenda under the bus and shaming them.