HB 1705 Would Prohibit Possession of Untraceable Firearms, Receivers, and Frames

[bigtex]

HB 1705 would prohibit the manufacture, assembly, sale, transfer, purchase, possession, transport, and receipt of untraceable firearms, receivers, and frames. The bill has already passed the House and is now in the Senate. Under the bill:

The definition of "untraceable firearm" is revised to mean any firearm manufactured after July 1, 2019, that is not an antique firearm and that cannot be traced by law enforcement by means of a serial number affixed to the firearm by a federal firearms manufacturer, federal firearms importer, or federal firearms dealer in compliance with all federal laws and regulations.

After June 30, 2022, manufacturing, causing to be manufactured, assembling, causing to be assembled, selling, offering to sell, transferring, or purchasing an untraceable firearm is prohibited.

After March 10, 2023, knowingly or recklessly possessing, transporting, or receiving an untraceable firearm is prohibited, with exceptions for law enforcement agencies and federally licensed firearms importers, manufacturers, and dealers.

After June 30, 2022, selling, offering to sell, transferring, or purchasing an unfinished frame or receiver is prohibited, with exceptions for purchases by federally licensed firearms importers, manufacturers, or dealers.

After March 10, 2023, knowingly or recklessly possessing, transporting, or receiving an unfinished frame or receiver is prohibited, with exceptions for law enforcement agencies and federally licensed firearms importers, manufacturers, or dealers. 

The first violation is an infraction (ticket), the second violation is a misdemeanor, third violation is a gross misdemeanor.  However, possessing three or more untraceable firearms/receivers/frames at one time is gross misdemeanor.

https://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2021-22/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/1705-S.E.pdf?q=20220216150200

[Jingles]

Time to bury them in the bean field?

[KFhunter]

This is pissing in the wind. 

0% milled guns are all the rage now and they cannot be stopped.

[Iveexcaped3]

This makes me wonder if this bill is being pushed by the big arms manufacturers not selling product along with the anti’s

[phildobaggins]

This makes me wonder if this bill is being pushed by the big arms manufacturers not selling product along with the anti’s

Way to play devil's advocate, haven't thought about it that way. You give the D's an inch and they'll take a mile -- gun companies know that too and I'd hope they wouldn't dabble in this territory.

[lokidog]

This makes me wonder if this bill is being pushed by the big arms manufacturers not selling product along with the anti’s

 

Yeah, because there are so many of these "ghost" guns being built they are putting a hurt on gun manufacturers... another how naive/silly/mind numbed are you?

[phildobaggins]

For those of you who message your representatives about bills...

What are you saying about this bill other than 2A rights blah blah.

[Iveexcaped3]

This makes me wonder if this bill is being pushed by the big arms manufacturers not selling product along with the anti’s

 

Yeah, because there are so many of these "ghost" guns being built they are putting a hurt on gun manufacturers... another how naive/silly/mind numbed are you?

I can say the same thing about your thinking. Gotta be pretty naive/silly/mind numbed to think if a company that invested millions of dollars into a platform and watched sales  and ROI drop that they wouldn’t do what they can to bring those sales back. Gotta be pretty ignorant to think it’s only the left that plays dirty games to improve financial gain.

[Igor]

[Smokeploe]

This might be implemented by the far left Demos because they are afraid these firearms might be used against them if the get gun banned.  They are so paranoid and scared that they might start a revolution that they are avoiding,  they just want everyone “warm and fuzzy”  while they take away our toys. They want everyone to think that they are righteous and right, while they blind you so you cannot see the truth.  Just the opposite of someone from about 90 years ago.

Smokeploe

[Iveexcaped3]

This might be implemented by the far left Demos because they are afraid these firearms might be used against them if the get gun banned.  They are so paranoid and scared that they might start a revolution that they are avoiding,  they just want everyone “warm and fuzzy”  while they take away our toys. They want everyone to think that they are righteous and right, while they blind you so you cannot see the truth.  Just the opposite of someone from about 90 years ago.

Smokeploe

Probably has something to do with Bidens ATF national data base. Gotta know where all the guns are.
Yup, it’s working well in UK, Australia, Canada, Russia, and China 

[phildobaggins]

This bill is missing the mark of the goal, as most bills for gun restriction do.

Untraceable firearms have been around for a long time, in different forms. The recent surge in popularity of untraceable firearms is being corelated to an increase in gun violence, while I believe the surge in homemade firearms is due to fear that the government will attempt to forcefully disarm the people. Serializing our homemade firearms is so the government can track who has guns, not so they can address the issue of gun violence. It will not stop someone who has a history of crime or has malevolent intent from obtaining a weapon.

This is how you stoke the fire of revolution.

[pianoman9701]

This bill is missing the mark of the goal, as most bills for gun restriction do.

Untraceable firearms have been around for a long time, in different forms. The recent surge in popularity of untraceable firearms is being corelated to an increase in gun violence, while I believe the surge in homemade firearms is due to fear that the government will attempt to forcefully disarm the people. Serializing our homemade firearms is so the government can track who has guns, not so they can address the issue of gun violence. It will not stop someone who has a history of crime or has malevolent intent from obtaining a weapon.

This is how you stoke the fire of revolution.

Anyone who's not in a liberal thought coma knows that the rise in crime is due to 1. the decrease in police on the streets due to mandates, disrespect, increased danger of violence, 2. the passage of laws which hamstring police and add liability, 3. the catch-and-release system of liberal prosecutors with regards to felonious criminals (as long as they're anarchists or Marxists or homeless), and 4. the tolerance of open narcotic use in our streets. I sure hope the red wave helps us here in WA this Fall. Our legislature is completely out of touch with reality.

[JimmyHoffa]

This makes me wonder if this bill is being pushed by the big arms manufacturers not selling product along with the anti’s

I don't really think they crafted the bill, but I don't think they are opposing or using their lobbyists to tweak the bill either.  Kind of in the same sense, that there didn't seem to be much manufacturer opposition to previous WA background checks...their products could still be sold, purchasers had the extra hoops.
If you're right, though, there would be some battles coming for reloaders.

[phildobaggins]

This bill is missing the mark of the goal, as most bills for gun restriction do.

Untraceable firearms have been around for a long time, in different forms. The recent surge in popularity of untraceable firearms is being corelated to an increase in gun violence, while I believe the surge in homemade firearms is due to fear that the government will attempt to forcefully disarm the people. Serializing our homemade firearms is so the government can track who has guns, not so they can address the issue of gun violence. It will not stop someone who has a history of crime or has malevolent intent from obtaining a weapon.

This is how you stoke the fire of revolution.

Anyone who's not in a liberal thought coma knows that the rise in crime is due to 1. the decrease in police on the streets due to mandates, disrespect, increased danger of violence, 2. the passage of laws which hamstring police and add liability, 3. the catch-and-release system of liberal prosecutors with regards to felonious criminals (as long as they're anarchists or Marxists or homeless), and 4. the tolerance of open narcotic use in our streets. I sure hope the red wave helps us here in WA this Fall. Our legislature is completely out of touch with reality.

Bullseye! Love the description of being in a "liberal thought coma" 

[Igor]

Anyone who's not in a liberal thought coma knows that the rise in crime is due to 1. the decrease in police on the streets due to mandates, disrespect, increased danger of violence, 2. the passage of laws which hamstring police and add liability, 3. the catch-and-release system of liberal prosecutors with regards to felonious criminals (as long as they're anarchists or Marxists or homeless), and 4. the tolerance of open narcotic use in our streets. I sure hope the red wave helps us here in WA this Fall. Our legislature is completely out of touch with reality.

Have you ever thought about running for Governor ?

[pianoman9701]

Anyone who's not in a liberal thought coma knows that the rise in crime is due to 1. the decrease in police on the streets due to mandates, disrespect, increased danger of violence, 2. the passage of laws which hamstring police and add liability, 3. the catch-and-release system of liberal prosecutors with regards to felonious criminals (as long as they're anarchists or Marxists or homeless), and 4. the tolerance of open narcotic use in our streets. I sure hope the red wave helps us here in WA this Fall. Our legislature is completely out of touch with reality.

Have you ever thought about running for Governor ?

Lol, Pman for Governor. Nope!

[bigmacc]

Anyone who's not in a liberal thought coma knows that the rise in crime is due to 1. the decrease in police on the streets due to mandates, disrespect, increased danger of violence, 2. the passage of laws which hamstring police and add liability, 3. the catch-and-release system of liberal prosecutors with regards to felonious criminals (as long as they're anarchists or Marxists or homeless), and 4. the tolerance of open narcotic use in our streets. I sure hope the red wave helps us here in WA this Fall. Our legislature is completely out of touch with reality.

Have you ever thought about running for Governor ?

, p-man would have my vote.

[Igor]

Anyone who's not in a liberal thought coma knows that the rise in crime is due to 1. the decrease in police on the streets due to mandates, disrespect, increased danger of violence, 2. the passage of laws which hamstring police and add liability, 3. the catch-and-release system of liberal prosecutors with regards to felonious criminals (as long as they're anarchists or Marxists or homeless), and 4. the tolerance of open narcotic use in our streets. I sure hope the red wave helps us here in WA this Fall. Our legislature is completely out of touch with reality.

Have you ever thought about running for Governor ?

Lol, Pman for Governor. Nope!

We'll start a Write-in P-man For Governor movement.........right here on HuntWa.  You can thank us later.

[phildobaggins]

Write-in P-man For Governor
Write-in P-man For Governor
Write-in P-man For Governor

[NRA4LIFE]

After June 30, 2022, selling, offering to sell, transferring, or purchasing an unfinished frame or receiver is prohibited, with exceptions for purchases by federally licensed firearms importers, manufacturers, or dealers.

After March 10, 2023, knowingly or recklessly possessing, transporting, or receiving an unfinished frame or receiver is prohibited, with exceptions for law enforcement agencies and federally licensed firearms importers, manufacturers, or dealers. 

These parts just say "unfinished frame", does that mean we can't buy serialized lowers?

[Igor]

Write-in P-man For Governor
Write-in P-man For Governor
Write-in P-man For Governor

I think you have a lock on the job of Campaign Manager !

[pianoman9701]

Anyone who's not in a liberal thought coma knows that the rise in crime is due to 1. the decrease in police on the streets due to mandates, disrespect, increased danger of violence, 2. the passage of laws which hamstring police and add liability, 3. the catch-and-release system of liberal prosecutors with regards to felonious criminals (as long as they're anarchists or Marxists or homeless), and 4. the tolerance of open narcotic use in our streets. I sure hope the red wave helps us here in WA this Fall. Our legislature is completely out of touch with reality.

Have you ever thought about running for Governor ?

Lol, Pman for Governor. Nope!

We'll start a Write-in P-man For Governor movement.........right here on HuntWa.  You can thank us later.

 

[lokidog]

This makes me wonder if this bill is being pushed by the big arms manufacturers not selling product along with the anti’s

 

Yeah, because there are so many of these "ghost" guns being built they are putting a hurt on gun manufacturers... another how naive/silly/mind numbed are you?

I can say the same thing about your thinking. Gotta be pretty naive/silly/mind numbed to think if a company that invested millions of dollars into a platform and watched sales  and ROI drop that they wouldn’t do what they can to bring those sales back. Gotta be pretty ignorant to think it’s only the left that plays dirty games to improve financial gain.

Yeah, right.........   

[Oh Mah]

This makes me wonder if this bill is being pushed by the big arms manufacturers not selling product along with the anti’s

I have been thinking along these lines with Remington settling the lawsuit,Are the new owners in fact anti gun and just spent a bundle to get the prize at the end?

[Angry Perch]

This makes me wonder if this bill is being pushed by the big arms manufacturers not selling product along with the anti’s

I have been thinking along these lines with Remington settling the lawsuit,Are the new owners in fact anti gun and just spent a bundle to get the prize at the end?

nothing good can come from that!

[Oh Mah]

This makes me wonder if this bill is being pushed by the big arms manufacturers not selling product along with the anti’s

I have been thinking along these lines with Remington settling the lawsuit,Are the new owners in fact anti gun and just spent a bundle to get the prize at the end?

nothing good can come from that!

I agree nothing good for gun owners,but would be one heck of a way for the antis to cripple the firearm industry for a set price that would be far cheaper for them than any other avenues they have taken over the past 150 years

[adamR]

After June 30, 2022, selling, offering to sell, transferring, or purchasing an unfinished frame or receiver is prohibited, with exceptions for purchases by federally licensed firearms importers, manufacturers, or dealers.

After March 10, 2023, knowingly or recklessly possessing, transporting, or receiving an unfinished frame or receiver is prohibited, with exceptions for law enforcement agencies and federally licensed firearms importers, manufacturers, or dealers. 

These parts just say "unfinished frame", does that mean we can't buy serialized lowers?

As far as I can tell, this bill has zero impact on serialized lowers. It also has zero impact on 80% lowers that were finished prior to July 2019, which is identified in the definition of "untraceable firearm". There is no way to enforce this garbage. They would have to prove that you milled out your 80% lower after that date.

[Weatherby92]

This thread has been quiet for a while. Looks like the bill passed the House and Senate.

[Lumpy Taters]

Yep just heard they passed it late last night.  Suspended normal rules and held a emergency vote. 

[bigtex]

Yep just heard they passed it late last night.  Suspended normal rules and held a emergency vote.

Not quite like what you elude to.

"Rules suspended" in the legislature simply means the House/Senate Rules Committee suspended their "handle" of the bill and moved it to a floor a vote. Once bills make it to the Rules Committee they either move on ("rules suspended") or get placed on the "x file" which essentially means their dead. There was no "emergency vote." Everything that happened with the bill moving forward through the legislature was "normal."

[lokidog]

This is not a surprise, though pretty much enenforceable it seems. Glad I am getting the heck out of this state soon.

[KFhunter]

After June 30, 2022, selling, offering to sell, transferring, or purchasing an unfinished frame or receiver is prohibited, with exceptions for purchases by federally licensed firearms importers, manufacturers, or dealers.

After March 10, 2023, knowingly or recklessly possessing, transporting, or receiving an unfinished frame or receiver is prohibited, with exceptions for law enforcement agencies and federally licensed firearms importers, manufacturers, or dealers. 

These parts just say "unfinished frame", does that mean we can't buy serialized lowers?

It ain't a receiver until its finished, before that its a hunk of metal or other material.

Not sure I get how this will be enforced

[phildobaggins]

What about possessing a finished frame or receiver LOL

[follow maggie]

This makes me wonder if this bill is being pushed by the big arms manufacturers not selling product along with the anti’s

I have been thinking along these lines with Remington settling the lawsuit,Are the new owners in fact anti gun and just spent a bundle to get the prize at the end?

Remington didn’t settle the lawsuit, because they don’t exist, anymore. The insurance companies settled.

[Lucky1]

After June 30, 2022, selling, offering to sell, transferring, or purchasing an unfinished frame or receiver is prohibited, with exceptions for purchases by federally licensed firearms importers, manufacturers, or dealers.

After March 10, 2023, knowingly or recklessly possessing, transporting, or receiving an unfinished frame or receiver is prohibited, with exceptions for law enforcement agencies and federally licensed firearms importers, manufacturers, or dealers. 

These parts just say "unfinished frame", does that mean we can't buy serialized lowers?

As far as I can tell, this bill has zero impact on serialized lowers. It also has zero impact on 80% lowers that were finished prior to July 2019, which is identified in the definition of "untraceable firearm". There is no way to enforce this garbage. They would have to prove that you milled out your 80% lower after that date.

Which they may be able to do if they can prove that you bought it after that date. Not sure how they could do that. If they can use credit card records or sale records from the seller, they could show that you bought one after July of 2019.
Yeah, the law is pretty unenforceable going backwards, but it is still a win for the anti 2A fascists. They will keep coming after your guns, make no mistake about that. Learn how the political system works and get involved. It is up to us to protect and keep our rights. Guys who say that their vote doesn’t count, the system is rigged, it’s useless, etc are pathetic. We have been given a opportunity to take part in governing ourselves. Let’s take advantage of the opportunity.

[Scott]

Did this get signed today? 

[builtfordtough]

Yes

[Lucky1]

Did this get signed today?

Yep.
It is a unconstitutional law in several ways. They don’t care. They think that most people will comply. If you don’t comply and by some weird circumstance they arrest you and find the “illegal ghost gun”, they will make you go broke fighting them in court. The bogus law needs to be fixed in the courts. Who want to be the test case?