Montana Preference points

[vandeman17]

There are two tag pools within the NR quota. 75% go to point holders and in a preference point system those with the most points wins. They allocate 25% to zero point holders. As you can see last year there were enough people with 2 or more points to eat up most of the 75%. That left more tags in that 25% pool available to zero point guys than there were tags left for all you losers with 1pt (I was a 1pt loser last year ). If you look at the number of folks who had 1 last year and will have 2 this year you'll see that once again your odds with 1pt will be worse than zero points. The new rules will start to fix this however since people can't as easily build points.

So don't buy a preference point if you drew last year. hmmm

[bugs n bones]

My partner and I both drew with one point

[ninthunt]

There are two tag pools within the NR quota. 75% go to point holders and in a preference point system those with the most points wins. They allocate 25% to zero point holders. As you can see last year there were enough people with 2 or more points to eat up most of the 75%. That left more tags in that 25% pool available to zero point guys than there were tags left for all you losers with 1pt (I was a 1pt loser last year ). If you look at the number of folks who had 1 last year and will have 2 this year you'll see that once again your odds with 1pt will be worse than zero points. The new rules will start to fix this however since people can't as easily build points.

I don't see how this will be fixed until there isn't a set amount of allocation going towards those with 0 points. Seems like that will always skew the odds where it won't be advantageous to buy a point unless you're gunning to have two the following year.

[Karl Blanchard]

Lets do deer...if nothing changes (which it will) you'll have 7,516 guys that were unsuccessful with 1pt last year applying this year with 2pts.  There are 4600 total NR deer tagsso that means 3,450 go to guys with the most points aka every single tag goes to guys with 2pts. In fact 2pts will be less than 50% success. The remaining 1150 tags go into the random zero point pool. I count pop for a living though so maybe my math is screwed up

[Karl Blanchard]

Now I'm confusing myself. Looking at that above table, how can you have 9,894 successful applicants for 4,600 tags 🤔 what am I missing?

[andrew_in_idaho]

Now I'm confusing myself. Looking at that above table, how can you have 9,894 successful applicants for 4,600 tags what am I missing?

“Come home to hunt” and/or “Montana native NR”


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[Karl Blanchard]

Now I'm confusing myself. Looking at that above table, how can you have 9,894 successful applicants for 4,600 tags what am I missing?

“Come home to hunt” and/or “Montana native NR”


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ahhhh. Do you know if they roll in the surplus landowner sponsored tags as well. Should be 1060 of those bad boys as well.

[andrew_in_idaho]

No, I don’t even know if they’re including the 1st 2 I mentioned


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[Karl Blanchard]

No, I don’t even know if they’re including the 1st 2 I mentioned


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fair enough 

[idaho guy]

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I don't see how this will be fixed until there isn't a set amount of allocation going towards those with 0 points. Seems like that will always skew the odds where it won't be advantageous to buy a point unless you're gunning to have two the following year.

   

I doesn't need fixing  They created the zero point pool when they initiated the preference point system giving people the ability to opt out of buying preference points. I like that idea. If you put into zero points pool you might have better odds this year but you will be stuck in the same situation of risking odds in zero points pool or buying a point the next year. If you buy a point this year and don't draw you will have 2 points next year and in the past would have been 100 percent to draw. You could go into the zero point pool and not draw for the next five years and you will never accumulate any preference points. If you buy points for the next 2 years you would be 100 percent to draw in the past. Zero point pool is a gamble every year-buying preference points give you a point where you theoretically would be guaranteed to draw. If current app trends continue 3 points might not be guaranteed but I think things will moderate and you should be guaranteed at 2 pp most years. Nothing needs fixing. I think the zero points draw odds go WAY down since everyone will see that the odds were a lot better last year. Not to mention they doubled the price of the preference point and gave guided hunters the ability to buy 2 per year. It would be interesting to see how many people change from buying the pp to the zero point pool?       

[Karl Blanchard]

  And the new rules force people to play. No more sitting out buying points. They are flushing the system out which is a good thing. The spooky thing is the total number of applicants for each category. Extra 5k+ per category in 2021 vs 2020. What will 2022 hold? How many guys are gonna apply this year due to losing points because of the rule change? How many double point buyers going with outfitters? We shall see I guess....

[actionshooter]

Be careful buying points now also because Montana is erasing you points if you don't put in every year.

[Stein]

Now I'm confusing myself. Looking at that above table, how can you have 9,894 successful applicants for 4,600 tags what am I missing?

“Come home to hunt” and/or “Montana native NR”


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Might include youth combo tags in there as well and they are unlimited in addition to the above.

[andrew_in_idaho]

Now I'm confusing myself. Looking at that above table, how can you have 9,894 successful applicants for 4,600 tags what am I missing?

“Come home to hunt” and/or “Montana native NR”


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Might include youth combo tags in there as well and they are unlimited in addition to the above.

Come home to hunt are limited, I think something like 400 total. Native nonresident are unlimited though


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[BigCutty3]

Woah glad I read this.  So I’ve got a question for you smart guys.  My son has one point and doesn’t think he’ll have the time to hunt this fall, and I was going to just buy him a point after the draw but sounds like that’s no longer an option? Would his lowest odds to get drawn and keep his point then be to put him in this year and not buy another point, and hope he doesn’t get drawn and keep his point?  Hope this makes sense, Thanks