Oak creek open up for natives

[trophyhunt]

John McGown used to let boyscouts in early to collect and sell antlers in near real time.

used to, how long ago was that?

[Tbar]

Have you developed another hobby then to start a potential bashing thread on the Native Americans? I know quite a few of them that get a kick out of it when you stir *censored* up.

They should very damn well be allowed to access the area for things being there’s artifacts within eyesight from the oak creek feedlot itself. However most act in good taste and don’t abuse their rights and it’s only a handful of their population that make them look bad.

Hopefully whitefoot chimes in if he sees this before the thread gets locked.

oh, you a whitefoot fan now? Really! You not opposed to killing multiple bulls to sell for jerky meat against tribal laws?? Really! You need to wake the F up man.

There are real issues that far outweigh this.

[Timberstalker]

Jerry,
Don’t get too worked up; WDFW will outlaw shed hunting before too long.
Pretty soon fishing will be illegal!!!!

[fishngamereaper]

Jerry,
Don’t get too worked up; WDFW will outlaw shed hunting before too long.
Pretty soon fishing will be illegal!!!!

They won't outlaw it but you can bet they'll profit from it ..antler tags and you have to pick your unit..mark my words. 

[storyteller]

"Honest question, do you think the natives give two F’s about the resource management "

Yes I do, I find how much  most of  us  do not  know

[Naches Sportsman]

Have you developed another hobby then to start a potential bashing thread on the Native Americans? I know quite a few of them that get a kick out of it when you stir *censored* up.

They should very damn well be allowed to access the area for things being there’s artifacts within eyesight from the oak creek feedlot itself. However most act in good taste and don’t abuse their rights and it’s only a handful of their population that make them look bad.

Hopefully whitefoot chimes in if he sees this before the thread gets locked.

oh, you a whitefoot fan now? Really! You not opposed to killing multiple bulls to sell for jerky meat against tribal laws?? Really! You need to wake the F up man.

Just because I disagree with values and views of some people doesn’t mean I can’t respect them and carry out a conversation with them.

I’ve waked up and have multiple native friends who I’ve joined on hunts and have fished with. I’ve helped a few with goat tags. I’ve learned a hell of a lot from members of multiple tribes in the NW and Alaska and even have been invited back to a trappers cabin in Alaska.  I’ve learned more history of areas and to live off the land from tribal members than I have reading books and textbooks published by Europeans.

[Buzzsaw461]

 

Damn Jerry, chill out as we don't need you blowing a gasket. 

We all know you're passionate about hunting and conservation, but we need to figure out how to team up (somehow) with the natives. They have the "right" to hunt, whereas we only have the "privilege" to hunt in the eyes of the law. I agree with you on doing the right thing versus what your allowed to do, but again they have the "right" to do so where we do not.

If WDFW has their way, all the elk hunting will be shutdown in that area in the next 10 years as there wont be a sustainable population to support all of the 4 legged predators. Just look at the slashing of the permits after years of overharveting, showing they have no ability to manage the herds while predator populations continue to thrive. If we can't get on the same page to fight WDFW and all of the antis, natives will be the only people still allowed to hunt in this state in the near future.

Honest question, do you think the natives give two F’s about the resource management or if we non natives have rights to hunt ?  Why would they, they have their cake and eat it too.  I’m F’ing tired of us versus them, we are the same for GODS sake. We lose spring bear, hound hunting, baiting, and the future looks bleak for non native hunters, but, tribal get to keep living free and do
What they want for ever.  I wonder if we have a civil war against our government, who’s side will they be on?

[Dan-o]

Have you developed another hobby then to start a potential bashing thread on the Native Americans? I know quite a few of them that get a kick out of it when you stir *censored* up.

They should very damn well be allowed to access the area for things being there’s artifacts within eyesight from the oak creek feedlot itself. However most act in good taste and don’t abuse their rights and it’s only a handful of their population that make them look bad.

Hopefully whitefoot chimes in if he sees this before the thread gets locked.

oh, you a whitefoot fan now? Really! You not opposed to killing multiple bulls to sell for jerky meat against tribal laws?? Really! You need to wake the F up man.

Just because I disagree with values and views of some people doesn’t mean I can’t respect them and carry out a conversation with them.

I’ve waked up and have multiple native friends who I’ve joined on hunts and have fished with. I’ve helped a few with goat tags. I’ve learned a hell of a lot from members of multiple tribes in the NW and Alaska and even have been invited back to a trappers cabin in Alaska.  I’ve learned more history of areas and to live off the land from tribal members than I have reading books and textbooks published by Europeans.

 

[Buzzsaw461]

You know it

With what is going on, f barking, I think it’s time to bite. Not sure how many more of us can take this crap. Bend over, take it dry!  Yeah, I’m pissed, pissed about a lot of crap going on, I understand the whole “straw that broke the camels back” now more than ever.

Bite away!

was waiting for Tbar (bag) to chime in.

[jackelope]

This thread is prime for a locking.

We’ve got native bashing, posts that are on the line of possibly racist, we’ve got name calling, we’ve got posts circumventing the curse word filters. We’ve got it all. Keep it up if you want it locked.

[Tbar]

This thread is prime for a locking.

We’ve got native bashing, posts that are on the line of possibly racist, we’ve got name calling, we’ve got posts circumventing the curse word filters. We’ve got it all. Keep it up if you want it locked.

Add in threats of violence and law breaking.  This thread cracks me up after the last couple of months.

[cem3434]

Damn Jerry, chill out as we don't need you blowing a gasket. 

We all know you're passionate about hunting and conservation, but we need to figure out how to team up (somehow) with the natives. They have the "right" to hunt, whereas we only have the "privilege" to hunt in the eyes of the law. I agree with you on doing the right thing versus what your allowed to do, but again they have the "right" to do so where we do not.

If WDFW has their way, all the elk hunting will be shutdown in that area in the next 10 years as there wont be a sustainable population to support all of the 4 legged predators. Just look at the slashing of the permits after years of overharveting, showing they have no ability to manage the herds while predator populations continue to thrive. If we can't get on the same page to fight WDFW and all of the antis, natives will be the only people still allowed to hunt in this state in the near future.

Honest question, do you think the natives give two F’s about the resource management or if we non natives have rights to hunt ?  Why would they, they have their cake and eat it too.  I’m F’ing tired of us versus them, we are the same for GODS sake. We lose spring bear, hound hunting, baiting, and the future looks bleak for non native hunters, but, tribal get to keep living free and do
What they want for ever.  I wonder if we have a civil war against our government, who’s side will they be on?

Honestly, I think many do care about managing the resources where they are there for future generations. I also know there are some bad apples that harvest dozens of mature bulls every year, making jerky to sell. It doesn't matter who the user group is, we all have our bad apples that reflect poorly on ALL hunters regardless if they are native or not.

For the second part of your question, no I think the natives only care about the resources for themselves. This is in part to threads like this bashing them because they have the right to do something we don't. If we as sportsmen want to have the privilege to hunt in the future we better get stuff figured out in a hurry. We need the natives as an ally, not as another foe as we already have plenty of those.

Your anger seems misguided because it's liberal politicians, WDFW and the antis chipping away at out recreational opportunities, not the natives. Not a single lost opportunity you listed above was a result of the natives. I like you and think you contribute a lot to this forum, but you're dead wrong on this one. Take a deep breath and try to think about this a little more clearly before you end up getting banned. 

[jackelope]

This thread is prime for a locking.

We’ve got native bashing, posts that are on the line of possibly racist, we’ve got name calling, we’ve got posts circumventing the curse word filters. We’ve got it all. Keep it up if you want it locked.

Add in threats of violence and law breaking.  This thread cracks me up after the last couple of months.

I didn’t read the whole thing.  Mah bad.

[Rainier10]

 

Just checking in.

[JimmyHoffa]

Damn Jerry, chill out as we don't need you blowing a gasket. 

We all know you're passionate about hunting and conservation, but we need to figure out how to team up (somehow) with the natives. They have the "right" to hunt, whereas we only have the "privilege" to hunt in the eyes of the law. I agree with you on doing the right thing versus what your allowed to do, but again they have the "right" to do so where we do not.

If WDFW has their way, all the elk hunting will be shutdown in that area in the next 10 years as there wont be a sustainable population to support all of the 4 legged predators. Just look at the slashing of the permits after years of overharveting, showing they have no ability to manage the herds while predator populations continue to thrive. If we can't get on the same page to fight WDFW and all of the antis, natives will be the only people still allowed to hunt in this state in the near future.

Honest question, do you think the natives give two F’s about the resource management or if we non natives have rights to hunt ?  Why would they, they have their cake and eat it too.  I’m F’ing tired of us versus them, we are the same for GODS sake. We lose spring bear, hound hunting, baiting, and the future looks bleak for non native hunters, but, tribal get to keep living free and do
What they want for ever.  I wonder if we have a civil war against our government, who’s side will they be on?

Honestly, I think many do care about managing the resources where they are there for future generations. I also know there are some bad apples that harvest dozens of mature bulls every year, making jerky to sell. It doesn't matter who the user group is, we all have our bad apples that reflect poorly on ALL hunters regardless if they are native or not.

For the second part of your question, no I think the natives only care about the resources for themselves. This is in part to threads like this bashing them because they have the right to do something we don't. If we as sportsmen want to have the privilege to hunt in the future we better get stuff figured out in a hurry. We need the natives as an ally, not as another foe as we already have plenty of those.

Your anger seems misguided because it's liberal politicians, WDFW and the antis chipping away at out recreational opportunities, not the natives. Not a single lost opportunity you listed above was a result of the natives. I like you and think you contribute a lot to this forum, but you're dead wrong on this one. Take a deep breath and try to think about this a little more clearly before you end up getting banned. 

Agree, and for the bold I think they actually need the non-tribal hunters and fishermen even if they can't see it yet.  The antis will go after them too.  Right now the antis are too busy pretending to be friends of the tribes so they can use them against everyone else.