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I do not believe it is "Native Bashing" just for someone to disagree that they have "rights" to hunt and kill whatever they want basically. Its ok to think something is wrong even if its legal.
Ratified treaties are the law of the land, equal to our constitution in power.But a lot of our current issues is previous lawsuits, which look more like reparations than proper interpretation of law
Congress and the President gave treaty rights to Native tribes.
But a lot of our current issues is previous lawsuits, which look more like reparations than proper interpretation of law
Quote from: pianoman9701 on March 22, 2022, 09:47:19 AMCongress and the President gave treaty rights to Native tribes. This is not correct and clarification here may help in understanding some of these tribal issues...treaty rights are often referred to as 'reserved' rights....rights the Tribes have always had (pre-dating US Gov't) and which are so important to them they explicitly reserved them at the time they ceded other rights/interests/claims to broad swaths of land.Quote from: KFhunter on March 22, 2022, 09:53:35 AMBut a lot of our current issues is previous lawsuits, which look more like reparations than proper interpretation of lawI disagree. Federal Indian law and interpretation of treaties is generally well reasoned/supported by the case law. Obviously reasonable people can come to different conclusions on any individual case...but collectively I would not view any broad set of rulings as reparations...I think that view is more common from folks who forget the hundred-ish years treaty rights were ignored or even criminalized.
Quote from: Skyvalhunter on March 22, 2022, 05:14:28 AMDo we know if theres any truth to the OP
Do we know if theres any truth to the OP
Quote from: Rainier10 on March 22, 2022, 06:34:33 AMQuote from: Skyvalhunter on March 22, 2022, 05:14:28 AMDo we know if theres any truth to the OP I personally wasn’t there to talk to the guys at the gate, but from this thread it sounds like it’s no secret, and falls in line with what I was told.
Back in the day when I was helping feed the elk in the eburg area I had keys to the gates. I rolled through the gate one day and there was a handful of people trying to get pics of some welfare elk...they asked what I was doing... told them elk love alfalfa and I was going to lure them in and shoot the biggest bull...the reaction was priceless...thank goodness the internet didn't exist back then..
Quote from: snake on March 21, 2022, 08:14:40 PMI do not believe it is "Native Bashing" just for someone to disagree that they have "rights" to hunt and kill whatever they want basically. Its ok to think something is wrong even if its legal. The point is you're blaming the wrong people. Congress and the President gave treaty rights to Native tribes. They didn't just show up and demand them. Blame the gov't., not the Tribes.If there were a lotto and you won exclusive rights to sheds or year-round elk hunting or unlimited crabbing or snagging chums or something else you love to hunt or fish, would you turn it down? I doubt it. If our government allows Native people to harvest antlers and elk at Oak Creek and you don't like it, talk to your duly-elected government.
Quote from: pianoman9701 on March 22, 2022, 09:47:19 AMQuote from: snake on March 21, 2022, 08:14:40 PMI do not believe it is "Native Bashing" just for someone to disagree that they have "rights" to hunt and kill whatever they want basically. Its ok to think something is wrong even if its legal. The point is you're blaming the wrong people. Congress and the President gave treaty rights to Native tribes. They didn't just show up and demand them. Blame the gov't., not the Tribes.If there were a lotto and you won exclusive rights to sheds or year-round elk hunting or unlimited crabbing or snagging chums or something else you love to hunt or fish, would you turn it down? I doubt it. If our government allows Native people to harvest antlers and elk at Oak Creek and you don't like it, talk to your duly-elected government.Yes boss, I understand how it all works and how it came to be so. I still stand by my post. These "rights" are being greatly abused by many in the tribe and that's a fact. Its not native bashing.
Literally a half dozen threads on hear going back to 2008 when Bone wanted to strangle some people over trying to shoot elk in the Oak Creek wildlife area. This is old news and will continue until folks stop ranting on internet forums about fairness and actually do the dirty work of fighting for the change through legal means.