e-bike on state land survey

[fishngamereaper]

Don't have an ebike. But have motorcycles, and don't mind paying orv for trail maintenance.
However I sure see a lot of horse and hiking trails that look like fun and good hunting access. Who pays for the trail maintenance on those trails?
Is there some sort of horse or hike permits out there?   

I spent a summer back in 96 hiking and clearing trails in the Alpine lakes.
Lots of volunteer opportunities ..

I don't hate e bikes ..
But they are motorized so it seems current rules in place apply.

[CP]

Same impact on public land?

Which would you pick?

[Curly]

I got stuck on question 14.

I don't even know what most of those mean? 

[luvmystang67]

I always prefer to look at the intent of these rules and the original rules. 

My take was that the original non-motorized rules were to prevent damage to areas caused by off-road use and to allow wildlife some reprieve from the constant hum of motors.  I don't really see how e-bicycles (drawing a distinction betwen the new modern e-dirtbikes) really threaten any of this.  They're nearly silent, aren't really off-road capable, and really comply with all of the original intentions as I see it.

A NEW intent is that lazy people shouldn't have the same opportunity as hardworking ambitious people, which I don't necessarily disagree with, but we should note that this would be a change in the original intent of the law.

I don't see any particular issue with allowing e-bikes in any place a mountain bike is also allowed...  Perhaps with some motor size limitation to prevent "essentially dirtbikes" from sneaking in...

Disclaimer... I did just buy a sick e-bike, but i avoided the modern super-powerful dirtbike ones to be respectful of the intent I mention above.

[trophyhunt]

Love my ebike!! Less damage to trails than horses, the hate for these bikes crack me up. 

how is thinking a motorized vehicle should be treated as a motorized vehicle hate  They are motorized. Simple as that. Yes I've ridden them fyi.

It's not, I just like to poke bears!  lol.   I do think it's funny though how when the feds classify a 750 and under ebike as non motorised people get up set if you ride them on a bike trail.  I will and continue to ride mine on trails on Na forest land that allow regular bikes, had a forest service guy one time tell me I couldn't but I just laughed at him and said ok.  I won't do it in the wilderness though, there are some laws I think are responsible. 

[CP]

I got stuck on question 14.

I don't even know what most of those mean? 

Me either.  It is hard to take a survey seriously when you have 8 choices for “what is your gender?”.

[luvmystang67]

I got stuck on question 14.

I don't even know what most of those mean? 

Me either.  It is hard to take a survey seriously when you have 8 choices for “what is your gender?”.

I went straight (or not straight?) for gender fluid

[CP]

Resulta que puedes tomar la encuesta dos veces, una en inglés y otra en español.

[KFhunter]

Same impact on public land?

Which would you pick?

That's not even apples to oranges, the KTM is a road legal bike, and doesn't require ORV /OHV stickers

[mcrawfordaf]

Same impact on public land?

Which would you pick?

Neither TBH

My only real concern with legally allowing ebikes on lands is potential increase in low quality bikes/batteries going into the woods. Aside from hunting access, the potential for fires caused by ebike batteries has been brought up quite a bit in just mountain biking forums. Sure the $1500+ bikes ya'll are shelling out for are probably well vetted and safe. I worry about Joe Blow finding out he can use motorized bikes up in the woods now and gets a $250 chinese amazon special that blows up setting against a tree...

idk.

[Jake Dogfish]

I got stuck on question 14.

I skipped all that crap, it took it.

Well, I’m going with Genderfluid, so my response will be counted.  Yours will most likely go in the round file.

I shoulda think of that 


 

The state wants input from non-binary individuals as well. 

[CP]

Same impact on public land?

Which would you pick?

That's not even apples to oranges, the KTM is a road legal bike, and doesn't require ORV /OHV stickers

The Rad is street legal as well but no, there is no comparison.  Yet they are treated exactly the same on public lands.  Both are only allowed on motorized trails and forest roads open to motorized public use.

So, why would you limit yourself to 1hp when you can have 120hp or more and be regulated the same way?

[CP]

I got stuck on question 14.

I skipped all that crap, it took it.

Well, I’m going with Genderfluid, so my response will be counted.  Yours will most likely go in the round file.

I shoulda think of that 


 

The state wants input from non-binary individuals as well. 

Can I be both Genderfluid and non-binary?  Then my vote is counted twice right, at least twice? 

[KFhunter]

Same impact on public land?

Which would you pick?

That's not even apples to oranges, the KTM is a road legal bike, and doesn't require ORV /OHV stickers

The Rad is street legal as well but no, there is no comparison.  Yet they are treated exactly the same on public lands.  Both are only allowed on motorized trails and forest roads open to motorized public use.

So, why would you limit yourself to 1hp when you can have 120hp or more and be regulated the same way?

The 1hp makes very little noise, costs $13,000 less, zero scent or emissions, no motorcycle insurance required, no endorsements, no licensing, tax free beyond sales tax, almost no maintenance, no gasoline, and you can use bike lanes in town.

[Chesterdog]

To me it's another example of WDFW not managing fish and wildlife.   Instead of fighting for increased access for what should be their constituency base, they keep wanting to bring non-outdoor enthusiasts into the woods and then they claim that they need to redirect department resources towards serving those people?  We have laws on the books about non-motorized access which actually work.  Why change them?  Don't forget that there are thousands of miles of paved roads for e-bikes to use all over the state but public wilderness access shrinks every year.  If I wake up early and hike my butt off to get away from crowds, only to have a millennial scoot by on an e-bike with Macklemore playing on a boom box, ill explode.  Leave the wilderness in DNR and State managed lands wild!