Commissioners Smith and Rowlands Rant

[Rainier10]

Well I have listened to quite a bit of Rowland and Smiths ranting. To me it is evident that those 2 to want to have more input on the seasons, harvest quota, etc. Smith brought up no less than 3 times that she essentially didnt care squat about the hunters survey since only 4 % hunt. She also went on to pretty much say that cougar depredation didnt have a significant effect on Blues elk population but shed hunters, e bikes etc. I was glad to see that Commissioner Thornburn brought up the unfortunate attack on the 9 yr old girl. Especially since I emailed the commission about it.

That was the impression I got. I feel like they should have applied for the WDFW not for the commission.  It appears since they couldn't get hired at WDFW they were appointed to the commission and are now on a mission to get rid of WDFW.

[fishngamereaper]

Yet so many hunters continue to support/fund them through license purchases....

In principal I agree....but.
The reality is they would love nothing more for people to stop buying licenses and tags ..it would be the easy way for them to reduce opportunity....they have plenty of money from the general fund to keep their agenda moving. Our petty cash is just fun money for them.

[Ridgerunner]

Isn't the commissioner Rowland the one that didn't even know there was a spring turkey season?  Or thought that bighorn sheep were endangered?  Or didn't even realize that you could buy a general tag and that the special permits were in addition?

If it is its typical left hypocrisy as in this video she says its important to know the background of what she is voting on when she clearly didn't have a clue in the earlier meetings.   

[MR5x5]

Yet so many hunters continue to support/fund them through license purchases....

In principal I agree....but.
The reality is they would love nothing more for people to stop buying licenses and tags ..it would be the easy way for them to reduce opportunity....they have plenty of money from the general fund to keep their agenda moving. Our petty cash is just fun money for them.

Not to argue, but do you know the funding source breakdown?  I was under the impression that the license contribution was significant..?

[GASoline71]

Yet so many hunters continue to support/fund them through license purchases....

In principal I agree....but.
The reality is they would love nothing more for people to stop buying licenses and tags ..it would be the easy way for them to reduce opportunity....they have plenty of money from the general fund to keep their agenda moving. Our petty cash is just fun money for them.

Exactly... taking a stand by not buying licenses will do nothing but shoot yourself in the foot. It sounds like a great thing to do to "stick it to the man", but in reality it doesn't help the cause.

Not buying a license because you are hunting in another state... I totally understand that.

Gary

[fishngamereaper]

Yet so many hunters continue to support/fund them through license purchases....

In principal I agree....but.
The reality is they would love nothing more for people to stop buying licenses and tags ..it would be the easy way for them to reduce opportunity....they have plenty of money from the general fund to keep their agenda moving. Our petty cash is just fun money for them.

Not to argue, but do you know the funding source breakdown?  I was under the impression that the license contribution was significant..?

Off the top of my head..on average 15 percent range of the budget.

[Karl Blanchard]

Yet so many hunters continue to support/fund them through license purchases....

In principal I agree....but.
The reality is they would love nothing more for people to stop buying licenses and tags ..it would be the easy way for them to reduce opportunity....they have plenty of money from the general fund to keep their agenda moving. Our petty cash is just fun money for them.

Not to argue, but do you know the funding source breakdown?  I was under the impression that the license contribution was significant..?

Off the top of my head..on average 15 percent range of the budget.

and if there is no hunters buying licenses to worry about  they can trim WDFW significantly so that money isn't needed. The end game for these people is no hunting.  Not buying license is EXACTLY what they want. Its their intended goal.

[idahohuntr]

Isn't the commissioner Rowland the one that didn't even know there was a spring turkey season?  Or thought that bighorn sheep were endangered?  Or didn't even realize that you could buy a general tag and that the special permits were in addition?

If it is its typical left hypocrisy as in this video she says its important to know the background of what she is voting on when she clearly didn't have a clue in the earlier meetings.

Yes - nearly all of them are clueless on hunting.  Which is why it is so frustrating to listen to them discuss or vote on nuanced hunting related issues.  It would be nice if they had at least a couple really solid hunters so they could have the expertise on the commission to frame and discuss a lot of this stuff.  To be fair - other western states will stack these commissions with equally ignorant people - but at least they aren't anti-hunters.

[Humptulips]

It is amazing to me to look at the resumes of Rowland and Smith and then see what dunces they are. The disconnect is amazing and discouraging.

[Ghost Hunter]

My buddy lives right next to Rowland just outside of Twisp. He says she is one of the biggest anti hunters around. We need to pressure the 2 to resign. If your not informed about hunting and fishing in WA state then really you have no business being on the commission

Any chance posting the address?

Generally only takes a couple minutes to find it.  Some others might take a few more.

[MR5x5]

Yet so many hunters continue to support/fund them through license purchases....

In principal I agree....but.
The reality is they would love nothing more for people to stop buying licenses and tags ..it would be the easy way for them to reduce opportunity....they have plenty of money from the general fund to keep their agenda moving. Our petty cash is just fun money for them.

Not to argue, but do you know the funding source breakdown?  I was under the impression that the license contribution was significant..?

Off the top of my head..on average 15 percent range of the budget.

Thanks.  I'd argue that holding a good portion of that 15% "hostage" would shine a light on the issue and give the hunting community a chance to make a stand and state their issues in a unified voice.  Most people I know that don't hunt simply don't understand the nature of what is going on.  When presented with the state of affairs wrt wolves, cats, bears, elk, deer, fish etc they are typically reasonable and understand the concept of active mgmt.

My $0.02

[dreamingbig]

Yet so many hunters continue to support/fund them through license purchases....

In principal I agree....but.
The reality is they would love nothing more for people to stop buying licenses and tags ..it would be the easy way for them to reduce opportunity....they have plenty of money from the general fund to keep their agenda moving. Our petty cash is just fun money for them.

Not to argue, but do you know the funding source breakdown?  I was under the impression that the license contribution was significant..?

Off the top of my head..on average 15 percent range of the budget.

and if there is no hunters buying licenses to worry about  they can trim WDFW significantly so that money isn't needed. The end game for these people is no hunting.  Not buying license is EXACTLY what they want. Its their intended goal.

I thought there goal was to let predators go unchecked so that there is nothing left to hunt.

Right now it is a donation to a rather crappy product.


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[ganghis]

These two are like the Delores Umbridges of wildlife management!!

 

[Special T]

As sportsmen we need to do a better job killing predators. I'm as guilty as everyone else in this way. I've never killed a bear or cougar so I'm as guilty as the rest. Gonna need to re read Bozes bear book and get after it. We can kill 2 so killing the first one we shouldn't be to picky.

[fishngamereaper]

Yet so many hunters continue to support/fund them through license purchases....

In principal I agree....but.
The reality is they would love nothing more for people to stop buying licenses and tags ..it would be the easy way for them to reduce opportunity....they have plenty of money from the general fund to keep their agenda moving. Our petty cash is just fun money for them.

Not to argue, but do you know the funding source breakdown?  I was under the impression that the license contribution was significant..?

Off the top of my head..on average 15 percent range of the budget.

Thanks.  I'd argue that holding a good portion of that 15% "hostage" would shine a light on the issue and give the hunting community a chance to make a stand and state their issues in a unified voice.  Most people I know that don't hunt simply don't understand the nature of what is going on.  When presented with the state of affairs wrt wolves, cats, bears, elk, deer, fish etc they are typically reasonable and understand the concept of active mgmt.

My $0.02

Sadly holding that percent hostage would only affect programs that are directly related to keeping the tradition alive. Outreach, Hunter's Ed, access maintenance and availability would be the first to go. Followed by enforcement, hatcheries and habitat management.

There is no cancel culture for agencies like wdfw. It would only affect the user group...guys and gals like you and me. 

We need legislation to step in and fix the commission. Rules aren't being followed and or are being skirted.

Unfortunately our elected officials are worthless right now though....

The solution to the problem for me...I'm just moving out of State...