Why does it take so long to complete Special Draws?

[Ridgeratt]

Does anyone have a reasonable explanation as to why after the deadline for applying it takes over a month to get this done?  With the WDFW stating the deadline is a certain date it should be pretty simple.

[Elkaholic daWg]

Don't suppose it has any similarities to our elections do ya

[D-Rock425]

Washington does have a pretty quick turnaround compared to other states

[Karl Blanchard]

WA is ONE OF the fastest states in the west. Never takes more than a month for them to complete draws. There are checks and balances that need to be completed. We've had many draw witnesses on this very site that have detailed the process very well. Maybe Jerry or Rainier could revisit the process or copy and paste from an old thread.

[phildobaggins]

I would rather they give us a set date when they release the draw so I don't waste time refreshing my Wild System online waiting every single day after lunch. Take all the time they need, just tell me WHEN.

[tonymiller7]

I would rather they give us a set date when they release the draw so I don't waste time refreshing my Wild System online waiting every single day after lunch. Take all the time they need, just tell me WHEN.

This has always been my gripe.  Instead of telling us "no later than" just tell us the date of the draw.  Problem solved.

[Karl Blanchard]

Have you guys tried not worrying about it till they actually release results    checking at random for no reason doesn't make them come out faster. I wish they would go to a hard date too and stick to it because it would inevitably be later in the month and y'all would get to lay in the bed you make. No more speedy results and everyone would have more fuel to melt the internet with 

[Wanttohuntmore]

Don't suppose it has any similarities to our elections do ya

Exactly!  The checks and balances should be audited by an independent auditor such as KPMG.  The draw could be done immediately and the process and system audited before hand and after.   Any alterations of the process without viable explanations should cause heads to roll.  It's about as simple as you could get and they still screw it up.

[6haase6]

They due give us a hard date the end of June.

[tonymiller7]

Have you guys tried not worrying about it till they actually release results    checking at random for no reason doesn't make them come out faster. I wish they would go to a hard date too and stick to it because it would inevitably be later in the month and y'all would get to lay in the bed you make. No more speedy results and everyone would have more fuel to melt the internet with 

The days before the internet were nice.  You forgot about the draw until you got your "Dear Hunter" cards in the mail.

[phildobaggins]

They due give us a hard date the end of June.

I must have missed the "by June 30th" part 

[Meow]

Don't suppose it has any similarities to our elections do ya

Keep recounting until Greghurr gets all the tags? 

[Bigshooter]

WA is the fastest state in the west. Never takes more than a month for them to complete draws. There are checks and balances that need to be completed. We've had many draw witnesses on this very site that have detailed the process very well. Maybe Jerry or Rainier could revisit the process or copy and paste from an old thread.

 
Guys that complain about WA turn around time don't have a clue.

[OltHunter]

Have you guys tried not worrying about it till they actually release results    checking at random for no reason doesn't make them come out faster.

Exactly. The backdoor tricks maybe get you 2 hours heads up to the official email results are posted. Website crashes for an hour or so after so maybe buys you 3-4 hours.

[Berin Denson]

WA is the fastest state in the west. Never takes more than a month for them to complete draws. There are checks and balances that need to be completed. We've had many draw witnesses on this very site that have detailed the process very well. Maybe Jerry or Rainier could revisit the process or copy and paste from an old thread.

 
Guys that complain about WA turn around time don't have a clue.

This is an accurate statement.

[bigtex]

WA is the fastest state in the west. Never takes more than a month for them to complete draws. There are checks and balances that need to be completed. We've had many draw witnesses on this very site that have detailed the process very well. Maybe Jerry or Rainier could revisit the process or copy and paste from an old thread.

California just had their draw results out in a week. Due 6/2 out 6/9.

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[Karl Blanchard]

I also think they should freeze the website until everything is uploaded. Keep everyone from constantly checking and prolonging the perceived agony.  Would cut down on the guys making the site crash while simultaneously complaining that the site keeps crashing  🤦‍♂️

[Karl Blanchard]

WA is the fastest state in the west. Never takes more than a month for them to complete draws. There are checks and balances that need to be completed. We've had many draw witnesses on this very site that have detailed the process very well. Maybe Jerry or Rainier could revisit the process or copy and paste from an old thread.

California just had their draw results out in a week. Due 6/2 out 6/9.

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yeah but nobody cares about California 

[muleyslayer]

Nevada released results within 10 days of the deadline, but Washington does a great job of releasing the draw results, within a reasonable time period compared to the rest of the west.

[trophyhunt]

It’s not all on the WDFW team, this new wild system is less than a year old (maybe bugs to figure out? Just a guess on my part), WDFW also relies on the vendors to do a speedy job without mistakes. I can only guess that WDFW are as frustrated if not more than all of us?? They don’t want it to take a long time, last year they were super stars right? This year, I’d have to say they are working their butts off. But again, these are just my thoughts. 

[trophyhunt]

My complaint, leave well enough alone! It seems to me IT people feel like they need to change chit all the time to keep their jobs???  Leave well enough alone, WDFW should have this nailed down by now. Prob too many chiefs and they all want it their way! And I’m not talking about the WDFW team doing the draws, I’m talking about people above their heads.

[arrowflinger]

It’s not all on the WDFW team, this new wild system is less than a year old (maybe bugs to figure out? Just a guess on my part), WDFW also relies on the vendors to do a speedy job without mistakes. I can only guess that WDFW are as frustrated if not more than all of us?? They don’t want it to take a long time, last year they were super stars right? This year, I’d have to say they are working their butts off. But again, these are just my thoughts.

I thought this System is a couple years old and that WDFW runs it now, since it got hacked. 

[trophyhunt]

It’s not all on the WDFW team, this new wild system is less than a year old (maybe bugs to figure out? Just a guess on my part), WDFW also relies on the vendors to do a speedy job without mistakes. I can only guess that WDFW are as frustrated if not more than all of us?? They don’t want it to take a long time, last year they were super stars right? This year, I’d have to say they are working their butts off. But again, these are just my thoughts.

I thought this System is a couple years old and that WDFW runs it now, since it got hacked. 

I thought so too, but I guess not. Honestly I’m not sure what is new.

[arrowflinger]

It’s not all on the WDFW team, this new wild system is less than a year old (maybe bugs to figure out? Just a guess on my part), WDFW also relies on the vendors to do a speedy job without mistakes. I can only guess that WDFW are as frustrated if not more than all of us?? They don’t want it to take a long time, last year they were super stars right? This year, I’d have to say they are working their butts off. But again, these are just my thoughts.

I thought this System is a couple years old and that WDFW runs it now, since it got hacked. 

I thought so too, but I guess not. Honestly I’m not sure what is new.
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[b0bbyg]

My complaint, leave well enough alone! It seems to me IT people feel like they need to change chit all the time to keep their jobs??? Leave well enough alone, WDFW should have this nailed down by now. Prob too many chiefs and they all want it their way! And I’m not talking about the WDFW team doing the draws, I’m talking about people above their heads.

Not how it works most places I have been, most of these big platform changes are not the decision of IT but the business or a high level manager who got wined and dined.  IT just gets stuck trying to make it work up to the promises of the marketing machine that polished up the "product".  But those are just past scars from a long career in IT   

Would be interesting to hear how this new fish hunt website came into the planning cycle - It could be just as you say

[Ghost Hunter]

Have you guys tried not worrying about it till they actually release results    checking at random for no reason doesn't make them come out faster. I wish they would go to a hard date too and stick to it because it would inevitably be later in the month and y'all would get to lay in the bed you make. No more speedy results and everyone would have more fuel to melt the internet with  :chuckle

The days before the internet were nice.  You forgot about the draw until you got your "Dear Hunter" cards in the mail.

  such was 'The good old days'.  Bring it back, along with the deer and elk populations.

[trophyhunt]

Have you guys tried not worrying about it till they actually release results    checking at random for no reason doesn't make them come out faster. I wish they would go to a hard date too and stick to it because it would inevitably be later in the month and y'all would get to lay in the bed you make. No more speedy results and everyone would have more fuel to melt the internet with  :chuckle

The days before the internet were nice.  You forgot about the draw until you got your "Dear Hunter" cards in the mail.

  such was 'The good old days'.  Bring it back, along with the deer and elk populations.

I just showed my son in law one of my old green cards we used to get, that was pretty cool getting those in the mail!

[Moose Master]

So I called licensing turned on the charm and the nice lady and I had a good laugh.  She wouldn't budge and said I wasn't the only one calling about the draws 

[Fidelk]

Why are we in such a rush to be Not Selected? Are we in such a rush for that one spike in 100 square miles to walk past us?

[go4steelhd]

The draw really doesn’t take that long. What eats up their time is giving the best tags themselves, their family’s, and friends. Because they often argue over hey your uncle had that same moose tag last year so we should give him a sheep tag instead, or I wanted the Dayton bull tag not the Wenaha again. Imagine what this looks like division wide with all the employees in good standings

 They then have to come up with a plan of how to draw the few remaining permits to make things look legit. These are the tags that we may have a shot at.

My suggestion is they make two separate draws. They have their buddy draw for let’s say 90% of all the antlered species tags issued in a year.(I think this would be real close to what they have done in past years)

 Then the second draw is for the rest of us, and they could draw like Nevada and have our results out in two weeks!

[Alan K]

They take a while getting everyone who had problems at the last minute squared away - after the deadline. If you're not computer literate you should get your applications done at the front end of the window to allow your problems to be fixed on your time rather than holding everyone else up. When the deadline is up, too bad so sad it's closed!

That said, whether it's a 2 week turnaround or a month turnaround it doesn't really matter.  The only thing that it might be important for is if folks need to get access permits secured, but most sell prior regardless.

  

[Ridgeratt]

They take a while getting everyone who had problems at the last minute squared away - after the deadline. If you're not computer literate you should get your applications done at the front end of the window to allow your problems to be fixed on your time rather than holding everyone else up. When the deadline is up, too bad so sad it's closed!

That said, whether it's a 2 week turnaround or a month turnaround it doesn't really matter.  The only thing that it might be important for is if folks need to get access permits secured, but most sell prior regardless.

  

We have a Winner!!!  There is a deadline set for the applications. Then they do a extension so that the people who didn't read the directions or are unable to follow them get on the phone and with a doe eyed explanation are requesting change of the app.

If you make your choices. OWN IT!! Just because you put in for the wrong area the lesson is that you will be more careful next year. Because you put your kid in for any deer instead of a second deer. Own it!!! Or you got a different endorsement to use a laser guided sweet potato. You will be first in line next year.

The WDFW should say the Deadline is this and we are going to give everyone a 2 week grace period. I'm not sure in the real world if you have a deadline if you are not ready you get a grace period. Sounds like the WDFW is handing out a bunch of participation awards.

It's alright Billy you did your best.

For what it's worth I am in the special draws but I just wait for the email. There is still plenty of time to get your planning done. When I drew my Moose tag in 2008 I had a work sheet for my areas. Never checked just applied. Found out they had changed the units I drew a tag that wasn't my choice. But I made the best of it and still harvested a moose.

[ghosthunter]

Yeah

I really do not understand all the fretting over when the draw is. You get drawn or you don’t. Worrying over it isn’t going to change the out come one bit.

I am in for Quality Deer to the tune of 22 points. I already have a plan if I am drawn, and a plan if I am not. Already told the wife I would be gone all of October and if drawn most of November.

The email will come in due time. Take a deep breath.

[huntnnw]

Email? That would be old news.  It should never take a single state as long as they do with the technology we have to do this . Yet every year there is catastrophic failure by some state with the draw process at some level, it’s quite ridiculous and absurd

[huntnnw]

Sorry a deadline is a deadline you mess up your app etc you shoulda done it sooner to correct it.

[boneaddict]

It takes a long time to make sure all your buddies get their tags

[trophyhunt]

Just an update, the deadline of the drawing wasn’t extended. 

[Ridgeratt]

Just an update, the deadline of the drawing wasn’t extended.

Of course they didn't there was already the extension figured in from past practice. 

[NWWA Hunter]

WA is the fastest state in the west. Never takes more than a month for them to complete draws. There are checks and balances that need to be completed. We've had many draw witnesses on this very site that have detailed the process very well. Maybe Jerry or Rainier could revisit the process or copy and paste from an old thread.

Wa is not the fastest state in the west


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[Karl Blanchard]

WA is the fastest state in the west. Never takes more than a month for them to complete draws. There are checks and balances that need to be completed. We've had many draw witnesses on this very site that have detailed the process very well. Maybe Jerry or Rainier could revisit the process or copy and paste from an old thread.

Wa is not the fastest state in the west


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Yeah obviously I forget the "one of the". We have this same thread every year and every year I point out it is "one of the" fastest states in the west which it 100% is. I've applied in every western state for the better part of 20 years, I'm well aware of the time frames.

[Rainier10]

Some good stuff here from Karl, Trophyhunt, Alan k and others do I won’t quote it all.

If you need a hard deadline to know for sure it is June30th. I myself like the fact that if they are done sooner they release them sooner and prefer to not have a “results will be released on June 30th”. And if we did have a hard date it would June 30th to cover the butts and make they meet the deadline.

The computer comment about doing your applications early is great. Most do them the week or day before the deadline, unlike the WDFW who typically release results 2-3 weeks before their deadline but I digress. Those that wait until the last minute then realize there is an issue, they didn’t report their kill from previous year or they put in for the wrong permit and need it changed or something and there is a rush of calls to WDFW to help fix it. On a normal year they get hundreds of emails and phone calls in that last week of applications and have to work through all of those before they can get to the draw.

Adding to that everyone complained that if there was a fire you should be able to return permits and get your points back do they made the adjustment. Tons of people did that last year and there were lots of stories of points not being restored that had to be addressed this year.

Add to that all the calls WDFW is getting about spring bear being cancelled as well as all the other stuff they are being tasked with and limited resources.

Couple in vacations and Covid and there just isn’t enough time to get it all done. They are being asked to do more with less people.

And don’t forget to add in on top of it all they are answering multiple phone calls and emails asking when results will be out.

The other thing is the verification of the draw. I think there are at least 5 different WDFW employees that run the draw and then check, cross check and recheck the results to verify everything is correct. If one of them comes down sick or has a family emergency it delays the process. Not to mention witnesses. I think there at least 5 of us each time we did it.  One time I was called in on an emergency because witnesses backed out. If witnesses aren’t available they have to find replacements or reschedule.

Results last week would have been great but with all the stuff listed above I’m not shocked it didn’t happen.

Results will out when they are out and I’m positive it will be before June 30th. I’m certainly not upset that it didn’t happen especially knowing that it could be delayed because of a health issue in someone’s family. That is way more important than me seeing 13 not selecteds.

Fingers crossed all goes well and we get results next week.

[Britt-dog]

The turn around time in Washington is pretty good comparatively. I just wish they could do the whole thing in February.

[duckmen1]

The turn around time in Washington is pretty good comparatively. I just wish they could do the whole thing in February.

That's my thoughts too. Turn around time is reasonable but would be nice to do the process a bit earlier to have plans for the year.

[jstone]

It’s Washington State.
That’s all you need to say.!!

[bobcat]

The turn around time in Washington is pretty good comparatively. I just wish they could do the whole thing in February.

That wouldn't give time for the biologists to get their permit quotas proposals in and then approved by the commission.

[Elkaholic daWg]

The turn around time in Washington is pretty good comparatively. I just wish they could do the whole thing in February.

That wouldn't give time for the biologists to get their permit quotas proposals in and then approved by the commission.

Current commission makeup and add a couple more stupid burro (thanks Rick!) appointments by the emperor and they won't care.

[hunter399]

The turn around time in Washington is pretty good comparatively. I just wish they could do the whole thing in February.

That wouldn't give time for the biologists to get their permit quotas proposals in and then approved by the commission.

Current commission makeup and add a couple more stupid burro (thanks Rick!) appointments by the emperor and they won't care.

They should just leave seasons,bag limits to biologists.
Commission can just be in charge of hunter orange and public safety stuff.