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At about the 4th hour or 12 o clock hour Commissioner McIsaac asked a clarification about where in the schedule they were going to do a deep dive discussion on Spring bear. Commissioner Rowland stated she has no interest in discussing spring bear as she feels we should not have one.  Jumping up to defend sportsmen Commissioner Thorburn stated that it was their job to listen to stake holders, and that the previous vote was supposed to be about the number and kind of spring permits.
4:03:30 Commissioner Rowlands comments

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Re: Commissioner Rowland lays bare her feelings on spring bear.
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2022, 12:52:25 PM »
WOW!!!  No agenda there, nothing to see lets move on.  Puke!!!

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Re: Commissioner Rowland lays bare her feelings on spring bear.
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2022, 01:31:39 PM »
Rowland's appointment actually goes against the mission of the Wildlife Commission and the rules for the appointments.
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Re: Commissioner Rowland lays bare her feelings on spring bear.
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2022, 01:40:45 PM »
Rowland's appointment actually goes against the mission of the Wildlife Commission and the rules for the appointments.

I'd like it if you could take a moment to elaborate your thoughts some there, perhaps. Not saying you're wrong or I disagree; seems like it could be leverage if a good argument could be articulated.
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Re: Commissioner Rowland lays bare her feelings on spring bear.
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2022, 02:00:09 PM »
Our Mission (Wildlife Commission)
To preserve, protect and perpetuate fish, wildlife and ecosystems while providing sustainable fish and wildlife recreational and commercial opportunities.

"Commissioner Rowland stated she has no interest in discussing spring bear as she feels we should not have one." She's using her personal political beliefs instead of wildlife science to determine what she thinks is right or wrong. In my opinion, someone who is anti-sustainable-hunting by any extent whatsoever should not be on the Commission, as it is contrary to their stated mission.
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Re: Commissioner Rowland lays bare her feelings on spring bear.
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2022, 02:04:25 PM »
Our Mission (Wildlife Commission)
To preserve, protect and perpetuate fish, wildlife and ecosystems while providing sustainable fish and wildlife recreational and commercial opportunities.

"Commissioner Rowland stated she has no interest in discussing spring bear as she feels we should not have one." She's using her personal political beliefs instead of wildlife science to determine what she thinks is right or wrong. In my opinion, someone who is anti-sustainable-hunting by any extent whatsoever should not be on the Commission, as it is contrary to their stated mission.

There's also an RCW 77.04.040 which states that the Governor shall seek to maintain a balance reflecting all aspects of fish and wildlife, including representation recommended by organized groups representing sport fishers, commercial fishers, hunters, private landowners, environmentalists. Currently the commission is way too far leaning towards environmentalists. Not sure how we could come together to challenge this but its worth discussing.

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Re: Commissioner Rowland lays bare her feelings on spring bear.
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2022, 02:05:52 PM »
Our Mission (Wildlife Commission)
To preserve, protect and perpetuate fish, wildlife and ecosystems while providing sustainable fish and wildlife recreational and commercial opportunities.

"Commissioner Rowland stated she has no interest in discussing spring bear as she feels we should not have one." She's using her personal political beliefs instead of wildlife science to determine what she thinks is right or wrong. In my opinion, someone who is anti-sustainable-hunting by any extent whatsoever should not be on the Commission, as it is contrary to their stated mission.

There's also an RCW 77.04.040 which states that the Governor shall seek to maintain a balance reflecting all aspects of fish and wildlife, including representation recommended by organized groups representing sport fishers, commercial fishers, hunters, private landowners, environmentalists. Currently the commission is way too far leaning towards environmentalists. Not sure how we could come together to challenge this but its worth discussing.

Thank you. I was looking for that RCW.  :tup:
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Re: Commissioner Rowland lays bare her feelings on spring bear.
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2022, 02:12:57 PM »
Our Mission (Wildlife Commission)
To preserve, protect and perpetuate fish, wildlife and ecosystems while providing sustainable fish and wildlife recreational and commercial opportunities.

"Commissioner Rowland stated she has no interest in discussing spring bear as she feels we should not have one." She's using her personal political beliefs instead of wildlife science to determine what she thinks is right or wrong. In my opinion, someone who is anti-sustainable-hunting by any extent whatsoever should not be on the Commission, as it is contrary to their stated mission.

There's also an RCW 77.04.040 which states that the Governor shall seek to maintain a balance reflecting all aspects of fish and wildlife, including representation recommended by organized groups representing sport fishers, commercial fishers, hunters, private landowners, environmentalists. Currently the commission is way too far leaning towards environmentalists. Not sure how we could come together to challenge this but its worth discussing.
I would classify them as climate alarmists and predator starvationists.
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Re: Commissioner Rowland lays bare her feelings on spring bear.
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2022, 02:17:49 PM »
The direct link is now included on the first post now that it is publicly available.
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Re: Commissioner Rowland lays bare her feelings on spring bear.
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2022, 02:41:00 PM »
Well I sure don’t think I would be too upset if Smith and Rowland followed through with their threats of self harm if they are forced to discuss the possibility of a spring bear season again. I’m definitely not advocating violence but if they say they want to shoot themself in the head before discussing spring bear season again then that is their choice And who are we to keep them from it. Ridiculous we have people on the commission that flat out say their minds are made up and they will not listen to any testimony, proof, or anything else. They are not upholding the duty of their job and they should be removed

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Re: Commissioner Rowland lays bare her feelings on spring bear.
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2022, 02:45:20 PM »
I'm sure there not ready to discuss anything.

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Re: Commissioner Rowland lays bare her feelings on spring bear.
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2022, 02:47:22 PM »
Time for a couple impeachments.  Thornburn is on our side 100%.

What a mess these other two liberal hags are.
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Re: Commissioner Rowland lays bare her feelings on spring bear.
« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2022, 02:58:34 PM »
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Re: Commissioner Rowland lays bare her feelings on spring bear.
« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2022, 03:29:09 PM »
Not to judge a book by its cover but just looking at the screenshots, do any of them really look like they are avid hunters or anglers?
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Re: Commissioner Rowland lays bare her feelings on spring bear.
« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2022, 03:55:34 PM »
Not to judge a book by its cover but just looking at the screenshots, do any of them really look like they are avid hunters or anglers?

Does anybody?

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Re: Commissioner Rowland lays bare her feelings on spring bear.
« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2022, 03:59:10 PM »
I don't think you have to be a hunter to be on the commission.  I do think you need to have an understanding of the positive impacts that hunting offers.  I also think you must have an open mind and not be an anti-hunter.
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Re: Commissioner Rowland lays bare her feelings on spring bear.
« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2022, 04:39:30 PM »
Give both those sour old bags a gun and maybe they will follow through with there threat, that would be great
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Re: Commissioner Rowland lays bare her feelings on spring bear.
« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2022, 04:49:52 PM »
Not to judge a book by its cover but just looking at the screenshots, do any of them really look like they are avid hunters or anglers?

Anderson is both and has the high distinction to be the only non Indian to chair the NWIFC Northwest Indian Fisheries Council. Mc Isaac is a fisherman and hunted in his youth. Lehmkule has purchased a small game and turkey tag in this state.

Thorburn is not a hunter and If Im not mistaken a Vegetarian, amazingly enough I belive her to be our strongest and moust outspoken commission. Only Her and Mc Iassac stood for keeping coyote derbies.

Baker is a lawyer, smart but anti hunting, Smith... I feel dumber listening to her. Rowland has purchased a fishing license and Ragen has had neither a hunting or fishing Lic and is focused on the protection and preservation of predators of the water. 
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Re: Commissioner Rowland lays bare her feelings on spring bear.
« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2022, 11:40:52 AM »
Our Mission (Wildlife Commission)
To preserve, protect and perpetuate fish, wildlife and ecosystems while providing sustainable fish and wildlife recreational and commercial opportunities.

"Commissioner Rowland stated she has no interest in discussing spring bear as she feels we should not have one." She's using her personal political beliefs instead of wildlife science to determine what she thinks is right or wrong. In my opinion, someone who is anti-sustainable-hunting by any extent whatsoever should not be on the Commission, as it is contrary to their stated mission.

I would argue their not even leaning towards environmentalists, they are leaning towards screw hunting in general and let the woods sort it out. But they forget we have taken large portions of those animals lands, so by not managing them appropriately it's only going to end in disaster. Bears having to be put down for human conflict, cougars same thing, prey animals dying in water ways and spreading disease. They don't care about the wildlife at all, they care about getting rid of hunting period. Or so it seems.

There's also an RCW 77.04.040 which states that the Governor shall seek to maintain a balance reflecting all aspects of fish and wildlife, including representation recommended by organized groups representing sport fishers, commercial fishers, hunters, private landowners, environmentalists. Currently the commission is way too far leaning towards environmentalists. Not sure how we could come together to challenge this but its worth discussing.

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Re: Commissioner Rowland lays bare her feelings on spring bear.
« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2022, 11:53:53 AM »
If Smith "doesn't have the energy" to re-discuss the Spring Bear issue, then she needs to resign. 

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« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2022, 11:56:41 AM »
Our Mission (Wildlife Commission)
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"Commissioner Rowland stated she has no interest in discussing spring bear as she feels we should not have one." She's using her personal political beliefs instead of wildlife science to determine what she thinks is right or wrong. In my opinion, someone who is anti-sustainable-hunting by any extent whatsoever should not be on the Commission, as it is contrary to their stated mission.

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Re: Commissioner Rowland lays bare her feelings on spring bear.
« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2022, 04:43:35 AM »
I can guarantee that after the 2020 spring bear hunt was cancelled because of covid and so many people got upset about it and made such a big deal that Emperor Inslee said behind closed doors "oh yeah, well I'll just cancel your spring bear forever if you don't want to bend the knee". And that my friends is why this worthless piece of trash is on the commission.

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Re: Commissioner Rowland lays bare her feelings on spring bear.
« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2022, 05:10:17 AM »
Believe me Rowland has no qualms about admitting she is an anti hunter. It pretty much is known in the valley she has a distaste for them.
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Re: Commissioner Rowland lays bare her feelings on spring bear.
« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2022, 10:48:42 PM »
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/meetings/2022/23-25june2022-fwc-agenda
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Re: Commissioner Rowland lays bare her feelings on spring bear.
« Reply #24 on: June 25, 2022, 01:48:26 PM »
Did anyone watch or attend Thursdays Commission Meeting?
Curious what was discussed/decided.
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Re: Commissioner Rowland lays bare her feelings on spring bear.
« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2022, 04:54:57 PM »
I don't think you have to be a hunter to be on the commission.  I do think you need to have an understanding of the positive impacts that hunting offers.  I also think you must have an open mind and not be an anti-hunter.

I think ideally they’re all neutral in terms of hunting and fishing. Obviously we want them to be as pro-hunting/fishing as possible but I’m not sure that’s realistic. Neutral should at least be a thing.
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Re: Commissioner Rowland lays bare her feelings on spring bear.
« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2022, 04:56:51 PM »
If Smith "doesn't have the energy" to re-discuss the Spring Bear issue, then she needs to resign.

This x1000. I mean really this should be presented to whoever the hail is in charge of her job and it should be considered. She doesn’t have the energy to do her job?? See ya, don’t let the door hit you …
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Re: Commissioner Rowland lays bare her feelings on spring bear.
« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2022, 06:52:47 PM »
I'm sure she follows the science and is aware the CCT has this type of season in the NE corner of the state. If someone pointed out this to her. Her response would be we are not concerned what the tribes are doing. We are just looking out for the best outcome for the cute bears.

Here are the tag quotas for the CCT

Black Bear Any legal weapon
Either
Sex
Year round
NH - Required No daily or season
bag limit SH - Not Required
March 1 -
June 30
Game Reserve Bear Permit
Required
Two (2) Game
Reserve Bear per year


https://static1.squarespace.com/static/56f45574d51cd42551248613/t/62aa10257827247f25900f98/1655312425583/2022-2025+Tribal+Member+Hunting+and+Trapping+Regulations_Res+2022-366.pdf

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Not making this a tribal issue but is this because of better management or?

Unless I am misreading this there's no daily limit or season limit but opened year-round in the north half.


This is not an issue between the CCT and Sportsman. This is between the Sportsman and your governor and his game commission.
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Re: Commissioner Rowland lays bare her feelings on spring bear.
« Reply #28 on: June 25, 2022, 08:40:58 PM »
I'm sure she follows the science and is aware the CCT has this type of season in the NE corner of the state. If someone pointed out this to her. Her response would be we are not concerned what the tribes are doing. We are just looking out for the best outcome for the cute bears.

Here are the tag quotas for the CCT

Black Bear Any legal weapon
Either
Sex
Year round
NH - Required No daily or season
bag limit SH - Not Required
March 1 -
June 30
Game Reserve Bear Permit
Required
Two (2) Game
Reserve Bear per year


https://static1.squarespace.com/static/56f45574d51cd42551248613/t/62aa10257827247f25900f98/1655312425583/2022-2025+Tribal+Member+Hunting+and+Trapping+Regulations_Res+2022-366.pdf

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Not making this a tribal issue but is this because of better management or?

Unless I am misreading this there's no daily limit or season limit but opened year-round in the north half.


This is not an issue between the CCT and Sportsman. This is between the Sportsman and your governor and his game commission.

Not all Colville will shoot bears... and if you read that whole link you will find the they can manage the north half better than the WDFW and its Commissioners that are anti hunters. Sportsmen are going to need to get squared away on  swallowing disagreements with the tribes. They are likely our only hope with all the anti hunters that have infested the WDFW and this state.  :twocents:
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Re: Commissioner Rowland lays bare her feelings on spring bear.
« Reply #29 on: June 25, 2022, 08:57:28 PM »
[quote author=Special T link=topic=271463.msg3690920#msg3690920 date=1656214858
Not all Colville will shoot bears... and if you read that whole link you will find the they can manage the north half better than the WDFW and its Commissioners that are anti hunters. Sportsmen are going to need to get squared away on swallowing disagreements with the tribes. They are likely our only hope with all the anti hunters that have infested the WDFW and this state.  :twocents:
[/quote]



I do believe that was my point. They manage the same ground as WDFW.

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Re: Commissioner Rowland lays bare her feelings on spring bear.
« Reply #30 on: June 26, 2022, 09:12:40 AM »
Just wanted to say ,spring bear for the whole state.
What the tribe does are to different topics.
The tribe is not bound by any state law.
If they cooperative in game management with the state that's great ,but at the end of the day doesn't really matter.
And yes because there not bound by state law,the tribe can be an effective predator management tool.

With spring bear a compensation program for timber company's should be set up .
Property damage is property damage.
No different than livestock eaten by wolves they get compensation.
If you fail to manage bears,protect bears,won't allow recreational hunting of bears at the time when damage occurs.
It's time for WDFW to start writing checks.
For every action there is a reaction.

Also want to say the Commission dodging this decision left and right .  Is also dodging paying for there decision.
If they vote down spring bear ,a compensation program should be on the agenda the very next day.
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Re: Commissioner Rowland lays bare her feelings on spring bear.
« Reply #31 on: June 27, 2022, 06:10:44 PM »
the only thing on any agenda by  a few, not all of thise commisioners is taking away our rights. 

 


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