So many points…

[ASienkiewich]

How many points do you guys have for Quality deer? And still cannot draw. I’m on 18, bro and pops got 20+… I know we’re not alone but yikes..


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[huntnphool]

 If you apply for units with the lowest number of permits, you must be ready to be disappointed!

 I’ve drawn three HIGH quality deer tags in the last 20 years, four since they started it in 95!

[huntnnw]

Choose different weapons and areas with more tags. Like mentioned above if your applying for high demand units your points will keep climbing. I’ve drawn 1 quality deer and 3 quality elk in 15 years

[Skyvalhunter]

If you apply for units with the lowest number of permits, you must be ready to be disappointed!

 I’ve drawn three HIGH quality deer tags in the last 20 years, four since they started it in 95!

HIGH 

[D-Rock425]

The point system doesn't work like most people think it does.  Points really don't help much in way of draw odds.

[Buzzsaw461]

21 for Quality Elk, Deer and Bull Elk. Drawn for Buck Deer in 2019. Last time for Quality Elk was 2001.

[bobcat]

For me it used to be a quality deer permit every 4 years. I drew in 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008, and 2012. Haven't drawn in ten years now and have 10 points.

[JWBINX]

I think its all luck!
More applicants and less tags.
It sucks when you have 24 years of points for sheep and a 17 year old draws a tag.
Just saying?

[trophyhunt]

It's all luck, there are more people with 6-12 points in the system now than top point holders, so the lower point peeps get drawn more often.  27 points for bull elk this year, I was not even close to drawing one of 9 tags. It will only get worse, just like in other states, the point creep in WY is to the point where I won't catch up.  Things need to change but money will keep this crap call rolling.

[phildobaggins]

I think its all luck!
More applicants and less tags.
It sucks when you have 24 years of points for sheep and a 17 year old draws a tag.
Just saying?

  Happy for them, but it does sting a little. Didn't someone's 12 year old son draw a Swakane ram tag last year? Maybe Chelan Butte, but either way, feel ya.

[trophyhunt]

I know a guy who's son, 8, first year applying with 1 point... drew a rifle rut tag for elk!!  Luck!

[kentrek]

I don't think people have a good grasp of how to view the odds..there is a huge difference between the odds of an individual with 6-12 points drawing a tag vs the odds of a tag being drawn by someone with 6-12 points

 

[vandeman17]

1 point or 18 points is a very small difference when you get to the more "limited" tags. I put zero emphasis on how many points I have going into application season in Washington if my plan is to apply for one of the more sought after permits. Its a lottery every year.

[kentrek]

The odds of someone with 18 points, of drawing a tag over the next few years will be much greater then someone with 1 point over the same amount of years...when looking at indual year odds it's hard to see much of a difference but when you stretch those odds out over lets say 5 years things look alil better

Here's an example for someone with 20 points

5% odds with 20
6% odds with 21
7% odds with 22
8% odds with 23

Over that 4 year stretch that point holder could reasonably expect a 26% chance of drawing....thats still 73% chance of not drawing !!

[vandeman17]

The odds of someone with 18 points, of drawing a tag over the next few years will be much greater then someone with 1 point over the same amount of years...when looking at indual year odds it's hard to see much of a difference but when you stretch those odds out over lets say 5 years things look alil better

Here's an example for someone with 20 points

5% odds with 20
6% odds with 21
7% odds with 22
8% odds with 23

Over that 4 year stretch that point holder could reasonably expect a 26% chance of drawing....thats still 73% chance of not drawing !!

Agreed. I was talking about the "higher" end tags like Entiat rifle where even with 18 points, you have less than a 1% chance of drawing and then you add in point creep so that the next year your odds go up slightly but the amount isn't statistically significant. Going from something like .763% odds with 18 points to the next year having .842% odds with 19% isn't really better odds.