Frustrated with Washington BHA event Free the Snake

[jeffro]

Hey!
Got an idea!
Let’s turn Eastern Washington, some of Idaho and Oregon, back into the desert it’s suppose to be!
Let’s increase our carbon footprint 1000x with trucking, rail and building inefficient replacement power supplies
How stupid do we want this to get?
Hoover, Grand Coulee, plus all the others on the Columbia, Glen canyon
How about the Erie Canal? Panama Canal, intercoastal waterway?
Blow them all up, or fill em in
All to save a Southern resident orca,
Which are doing fine BTW

[grundy53]

Hey!
Got an idea!
Let’s turn Eastern Washington, some of Idaho and Oregon, back into the desert it’s suppose to be!
Let’s increase our carbon footprint 1000x with trucking, rail and building inefficient replacement power supplies
How stupid do we want this to get?
Hoover, Grand Coulee, plus all the others on the Columbia, Glen canyon
How about the Erie Canal? Panama Canal, intercoastal waterway?
Blow them all up, or fill em in
All to save a Southern resident orca,
Which are doing fine BTW

Exactly. But hey at least there will be salmon! Oh wait nope. The sea lions and commerants will still be slaughtering them....

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[Platensek-po]

Knock out all the dams. Every last one. Ancient tech that’s extremely outdated and not needed. Seals and birds would do a lot less harm if the fish weren’t trapped at the bases of the dams. Cant think of anything better than seeing the snake and the Columbia completely free of dams.

On another note, every time some bashes BHA on this site they never have anything they can actually pinpoint as to why. Its always their “agenda”, which they cant seem to explain, or they support something like better rivers for salmon so therefor I don’t like them…

[grundy53]

Knock out all the dams. Every last one. Ancient tech that’s extremely outdated and not needed. Seals and birds would do a lot less harm if the fish weren’t trapped at the bases of the dams. Cant think of anything better than seeing the snake and the Columbia completely free of dams.

On another note, every time some bashes BHA on this site they never have anything they can actually pinpoint as to why. Its always their “agenda”, which they cant seem to explain, or they support something like better rivers for salmon so therefor I don’t like them…

Lol. Ancient tech? Outdated? If we we take out all of the dams what is your solution to replace the power they supply? Or the loss of irrigation?

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[dwils233]

It's nice to see BHA getting so much heat, I was worried people had forgotten what a green decoy the org was after the WA chapter

-fought tooth and nail to save washington spring bear hunting to the very end
-stood up to anti-hunting commissioners in public testimony during the blue mountain cougars
-publicly called out the failure of the commission to prioritize blue mountain elk
-crafted a letter to the governor co-signed by every major national hunting organization about appointing better commissioner
-went on a media blitz about the state of the WDFW commission and threat to hunting in op-eds and podcasts to a national level
-pulled miles of fencing in mule deer habitat
- cleaned up a handful of public shooting sites
-adopted an access site
-hosted meetings for the public to engage directly with WDFW scientists
-helped craft/propose legislation that would prevent bad commissioners from getting appointed
-donated funds and labor to the first hunt foundation's youth deer hunt

all in 2022 so far

I was worried ya'll were going soft on them

[grundy53]

It's nice to see BHA getting so much heat, I was worried people had forgotten what a green decoy the org was after the WA chapter

-fought tooth and nail to save washington spring bear hunting to the very end
-stood up to anti-hunting commissioners in public testimony during the blue mountain cougars
-publicly called out the failure of the commission to prioritize blue mountain elk
-crafted a letter to the governor co-signed by every major national hunting organization about appointing better commissioner
-went on a media blitz about the state of the WDFW commission and threat to hunting in op-eds and podcasts to a national level
-pulled miles of fencing in mule deer habitat
- cleaned up a handful of public shooting sites
-adopted an access site
-hosted meetings for the public to engage directly with WDFW scientists
-helped craft/propose legislation that would prevent bad commissioners from getting appointed
-donated funds and labor to the first hunt foundation's youth deer hunt

all in 2022 so far

I was worried ya'll were going soft on them

Are we not allowed to disagree with them?

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[KFhunter]

Knock out all the dams. Every last one. Ancient tech that’s extremely outdated and not needed. Seals and birds would do a lot less harm if the fish weren’t trapped at the bases of the dams. Cant think of anything better than seeing the snake and the Columbia completely free of dams.

On another note, every time some bashes BHA on this site they never have anything they can actually pinpoint as to why. Its always their “agenda”, which they cant seem to explain, or they support something like better rivers for salmon so therefor I don’t like them…

Lol. Ancient tech? Outdated? If we we take out all of the dams what is your solution to replace the power they supply? Or the loss of irrigation?

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How they gonna charge up those e cars 

They like to eat, but don't want irrigation pumping water to crops

It's sexy to think of uncorking the dams, but they never think of the consequences "oh we'll just ship it by train", not if there's no irrigation....

Destroying the dams comes with new laws and legislation, and those laws won't include moving irrigation pumps down a bank 300'...out through a native indian heritage site and pumping water up hundreds of feet higher and 1/2 mile or more further


How about all you remove the dams people get a copy of the fine print before you sign off on it huh?

[dwils233]

It's nice to see BHA getting so much heat, I was worried people had forgotten what a green decoy the org was after the WA chapter

-fought tooth and nail to save washington spring bear hunting to the very end
-stood up to anti-hunting commissioners in public testimony during the blue mountain cougars
-publicly called out the failure of the commission to prioritize blue mountain elk
-crafted a letter to the governor co-signed by every major national hunting organization about appointing better commissioner
-went on a media blitz about the state of the WDFW commission and threat to hunting in op-eds and podcasts to a national level
-pulled miles of fencing in mule deer habitat
- cleaned up a handful of public shooting sites
-adopted an access site
-hosted meetings for the public to engage directly with WDFW scientists
-helped craft/propose legislation that would prevent bad commissioners from getting appointed
-donated funds and labor to the first hunt foundation's youth deer hunt

all in 2022 so far

I was worried ya'll were going soft on them

Are we not allowed to disagree with them?

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Did anyone say you can't? I was just adding those dastardly actions to the list of reasons they're the worst. Just making sure we're getting the whole picture out there

[mcrawfordaf]

My dads been working for BPA damn near half his life. If you get rid of these dams you’ll start seeing rolling black ours like California. People always want to argue that they don’t “output” enough to justify their existence. But they increase the allowed load which is just as if not more important. WA is some 85% hydro power. Get rid of the dams and all your e-cars start running on what? Inslee damn well isn’t going to increase fossil fuels. They already increased taxes on natural gas. Sure tear the dams down - have fun powering your computers on wind and Inslees hot breathe.

[dwils233]

My dads been working for BPA damn near half his life. If you get rid of these dams you’ll start seeing rolling black ours like California. People always want to argue that they don’t “output” enough to justify their existence. But they increase the allowed load which is just as if not more important. WA is some 85% hydro power. Get rid of the dams and all your e-cars start running on what? Inslee damn well isn’t going to increase fossil fuels. They already increased taxes on natural gas. Sure tear the dams down - have fun powering your computers on wind and Inslees hot breathe.

Honestly it's really frustrating the nuclear is such a non starter on talks about relaxing the dams or fossil fuels. Bringing it up is radioactive...pun intended, but it would be a huge part of stabilizing power output levels

[Tbar]

My dads been working for BPA damn near half his life. If you get rid of these dams you’ll start seeing rolling black ours like California. People always want to argue that they don’t “output” enough to justify their existence. But they increase the allowed load which is just as if not more important. WA is some 85% hydro power. Get rid of the dams and all your e-cars start running on what? Inslee damn well isn’t going to increase fossil fuels. They already increased taxes on natural gas. Sure tear the dams down - have fun powering your computers on wind and Inslees hot breathe.

The mainstem Columbia dams are apples and oranges to the snake.

[Tbar]

I'm not surprised one bit. I'm just disappointed I ever gave them money.

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me too. BHA Looks great at first glance but take a deeper look and 

I looked at their Facebook page for a few weeks when I was thinking of joining. They have a deep and passionate hatred of anyone who doesn’t follow their agenda to the letter.. I changed my mind about joining,

This cracks me up.  I have had civil debates on many issues and never felt dislike much less hatred. But if you read it on the internet is probably true.

[Sandberm]

Knock out all the dams. Every last one. Ancient tech that’s extremely outdated and not needed. Seals and birds would do a lot less harm if the fish weren’t trapped at the bases of the dams. Cant think of anything better than seeing the snake and the Columbia completely free of dams.

On another note, every time some bashes BHA on this site they never have anything they can actually pinpoint as to why. Its always their “agenda”, which they cant seem to explain, or they support something like better rivers for salmon so therefor I don’t like them…

Where do want everybody to get power from? All the stuff that gets barged up and down the rivers...how do want that stuff to get from here and there?

Is there going to be flooding?

The irrigation that comes from the columbia, the water that is diverted to the columbia basin...can you gurauntee it will still be reliable? A lot of food production happens off the Snake and Columbia.

[follow maggie]

I'm not surprised one bit. I'm just disappointed I ever gave them money.

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me too. BHA Looks great at first glance but take a deeper look and 

I looked at their Facebook page for a few weeks when I was thinking of joining. They have a deep and passionate hatred of anyone who doesn’t follow their agenda to the letter.. I changed my mind about joining,

This cracks me up.  I have had civil debates on many issues and never felt dislike much less hatred. But if you read it on the internet is probably true.

It is true. There own posts on their own page. Whether you believe me or not doesn’t mean *censored* does it?

[mcrawfordaf]

My dads been working for BPA damn near half his life. If you get rid of these dams you’ll start seeing rolling black ours like California. People always want to argue that they don’t “output” enough to justify their existence. But they increase the allowed load which is just as if not more important. WA is some 85% hydro power. Get rid of the dams and all your e-cars start running on what? Inslee damn well isn’t going to increase fossil fuels. They already increased taxes on natural gas. Sure tear the dams down - have fun powering your computers on wind and Inslees hot breathe.

The mainstem Columbia dams are apples and oranges to the snake.

I’ll reiterate, it’s not a question of output. Of course they pale in comparison. It’s about CAPACITY. Remove them sure, but capacity needs to be increased somewhere else. Nuclear would be preferred.