Frustrated with Washington BHA event Free the Snake

[dwils233]

I'm not surprised one bit. I'm just disappointed I ever gave them money.

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me too. BHA Looks great at first glance but take a deeper look and 

I looked at their Facebook page for a few weeks when I was thinking of joining. They have a deep and passionate hatred of anyone who doesn’t follow their agenda to the letter.. I changed my mind about joining,

This cracks me up.  I have had civil debates on many issues and never felt dislike much less hatred. But if you read it on the internet is probably true.

It is true. There own posts on their own page. Whether you believe me or not doesn’t mean *censored* does it?

The WA chapter page?? I went back to mid June and didn't see anything even close to hostile or combative.

[Tbar]

My dads been working for BPA damn near half his life. If you get rid of these dams you’ll start seeing rolling black ours like California. People always want to argue that they don’t “output” enough to justify their existence. But they increase the allowed load which is just as if not more important. WA is some 85% hydro power. Get rid of the dams and all your e-cars start running on what? Inslee damn well isn’t going to increase fossil fuels. They already increased taxes on natural gas. Sure tear the dams down - have fun powering your computers on wind and Inslees hot breathe.

The mainstem Columbia dams are apples and oranges to the snake.

I’ll reiterate, it’s not a question of output. Of course they pale in comparison. It’s about CAPACITY. Remove them sure, but capacity needs to be increased somewhere else. Nuclear would be preferred.

Capacity? Production far outweighs need in Washington. That's why it's sold to grid.  Are you talking storage? There is plenty of room to mitigate storage impacts.

[Sandberm]

How would you wet siders feel if every ridge line you looked at had windmills?

Any vast plateau you live by was proposed for a solar farm?

Read the news. They want to line the Horse Heaven hills with windmills, cover the backside of Ratllesnake mtn with a solar farm and i just read they want to put another solar farm south of vantage.

Lets put all this in Puget sound eh? Lets see the west side of the state power everybody

[emac]

Why is it always remove the dams on the snake and you never here anything about removing the dams on the Columbia. I know a couple people have said it here, but there is no rallies or get togethers or talking heads saying anything about the Columbia.  Why is that? What makes the Columbia dams different?  Don't the fish have to get by these dams before they even make it to the snake?  I grew up on the snake and I will never be for removing the dams.

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[MeepDog]

People in these debates always forget about nuclear. It's the superior power source no matter how you look at it. It runs at 100 capacity, doesn't dramatically alter its environment, and has a massive output/sq mile.

Also, running a generator to power an electric car is still better than driving a combustion engine car. High output generators are more efficient than your engine at producing and transferring power.

[dwils233]

Why is it always remove the dams on the snake and you never here anything about removing the dams on the Columbia. I know a couple people have said it here, but there is no rallies or get togethers or talking heads saying anything about the Columbia.  Why is that? What makes the Columbia dams different?  Don't the fish have to get by these dams before they even make it to the snake?  I grew up on the snake and I will never be for removing the dams.

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these are the last dams the fish have to get past to spawn by which point, they've already crossed plenty over hundreds of miles. Additionally downstream migration over the snake dams is frequently barged with significant mortality. What isn't barged dies off in the snake before it can get to the larger, cooler and safer waters and dams on the Columbia

At least that's how I understand it. Those dams have a higher mortality impact on salmon than the Columbia does

[KFhunter]

Why is it always remove the dams on the snake and you never here anything about removing the dams on the Columbia. I know a couple people have said it here, but there is no rallies or get togethers or talking heads saying anything about the Columbia.  Why is that? What makes the Columbia dams different?  Don't the fish have to get by these dams before they even make it to the snake?  I grew up on the snake and I will never be for removing the dams.

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You don't go for the big enchilada right away, you peck away at the side dishes first


The Columbia dams would be next.

[grundy53]

People in these debates always forget about nuclear. It's the superior power source no matter how you look at it. It runs at 100 capacity, doesn't dramatically alter its environment, and has a massive output/sq mile.

Also, running a generator to power an electric car is still better than driving a combustion engine car. High output generators are more efficient than your engine at producing and transferring power.

I don't think people forget about nuclear it's just that it's pretty much a non starter. I highly doubt they will be building any new nuclear plants in washington anytime soon.

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[KFhunter]

"not in MY backyard"

[JimmyHoffa]

How would you wet siders feel if every ridge line you looked at had windmills?

Any vast plateau you live by was proposed for a solar farm?

Read the news. They want to line the Horse Heaven hills with windmills, cover the backside of Ratllesnake mtn with a solar farm and i just read they want to put another solar farm south of vantage.

Lets put all this in Puget sound eh? Lets see the west side of the state power everybody

You didn't get the WEF memo?  You're supposed to move to the big city, ride public transport, eat bugs and work a lot.  Get in the wheel, cog!

[Limhangerslayer]

We’re the dams there 12 years ago or so when there were record runs of steelhead and salmon?  And how would removing the dams change the ocean conditions.  That would be the two questions I’d ask them then drop the mic and walk out. 

[Sitka_Blacktail]

The subject matter is no different than suggesting that we remove commercial fishing from the lower Columbia.  Both removal of commercial fishing and removal of dams will have an impact on returning salmon and steelhead runs on the snake, but we only ever talk about removal of dams. 

You obviously don't know about the big license buyback and license retirement going on right now in the Washington gillnet fleet.  In fact this is at least the 4th round of license reductions in Washington that I know of.  This on top of all kinds of gear restrictions on the fleet and reduced fishing time. So while I'm not offended by what you wrote, I'm also not surprised by your ignorance on the subject either.

[Tbar]

People in these debates always forget about nuclear. It's the superior power source no matter how you look at it. It runs at 100 capacity, doesn't dramatically alter its environment, and has a massive output/sq mile.

Also, running a generator to power an electric car is still better than driving a combustion engine car. High output generators are more efficient than your engine at producing and transferring power.

I don't think anyone is overlooking nuclear.  It's definitely a component in the discussion and has been.

[KFhunter]

We’re the dams there 12 years ago or so when there were record runs of steelhead and salmon?  And how would removing the dams change the ocean conditions.  That would be the two questions I’d ask them then drop the mic and walk out.

The reality is that it's not about the fish, it's about rewilding America

[Tbar]

The subject matter is no different than suggesting that we remove commercial fishing from the lower Columbia.  Both removal of commercial fishing and removal of dams will have an impact on returning salmon and steelhead runs on the snake, but we only ever talk about removal of dams. 

You obviously don't know about the big license buyback and license retirement going on right now in the Washington gillnet fleet.  In fact this is at least the 4th round of license reductions in Washington that I know of.  This on top of all kinds of gear restrictions on the fleet and reduced fishing time. So while I'm not offended by what you wrote, I'm also not surprised by your ignorance on the subject either.

In addition to dams we look at cormorant, pinniped and habitat. As long as your rhetoric fits your narrative, preach on.