Quality 204 any buck tag

[boneaddict]

Lots of tribal pressure that time of year, but almost all on roads.   There are some real brutes in there. 

[kramman]

EMac the stud 2pt will most likely breed more 2pt bucks. Genetics

[emac]

EMac the stud 2pt will most likely breed more 2pt bucks. Genetics

I will disagree with one that point.  You aren't the only one that thinks that though.  That stud 2pt could breed a doe that has the right genetics in her to turn out a masher 4 or whatever buck.  It takes 2 to tango and the genetics from both deer play a part.  I use to be at the mindset as you but then I did some research.  From what I have researched there is nothing wrong with those big 2 points breeding,  it all comes down to the doe and what genetics she has.  It's no different then humans breedin..dad has brown hair brown eyes. Mom has blonde hair blue eyes what does the baby have?  It all comes down to the dominant gene.  Same with deer.  So when people say we need to take 2 pts out of the breeding pool it's not correct.

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[greenhead_killer]

I was just up today. I have not seen it this dry this late in the 17 years we’ve owned property up there. Still hot during the day too. Deer movement is extremely limited. Hopefully the end of gen picks up and gets it going a bit better for the late tag

[Birdguy]

EMac the stud 2pt will most likely breed more 2pt bucks. Genetics

I will disagree with one that point.  You aren't the only one that thinks that though.  That stud 2pt could breed a doe that has the right genetics in her to turn out a masher 4 or whatever buck.  It takes 2 to tango and the genetics from both deer play a part.  I use to be at the mindset as you but then I did some research.  From what I have researched there is nothing wrong with those big 2 points breeding,  it all comes down to the doe and what genetics she has.  It's no different then humans breedin..dad has brown hair brown eyes. Mom has blonde hair blue eyes what does the baby have?  It all comes down to the dominant gene.  Same with deer.  So when people say we need to take 2 pts out of the breeding pool it's not correct.
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Agree with this to a point. After how many generations does the 2pt gene become the dominant gene in the does as well? If the father of "most does" born are 2 pts I would guess it does not take too many generations to make the 2 pt gene the dominant gene even in the does in an area, correct? I have never researched deer genetics but have a bit of experience with breeding specifics traits in other animals.

Back to the OP there are some great deer in the unit. Having run cameras on our property in 204 for 17 or so years I can tell you the great bucks are NOT on our place. That said I have seen some great mule deer out of Chesaw in the National Forest. Had a buddy shoot a dandy heavy dark antlered buck off Mt Hull a few years back as well. Saw a great 5 by 5 off the private lands off Dry gulch west of Havillah in November a couple years ago. Yes, the tribe is around as well as an abundance of predators but that November is a great time to be in the deer woods. We have had smaller bucks walk right up to us standing at our cabin burning the debris that fell over the summer. Best of luck to you!

[kramman]

EMac we can agree to disagree. Been hunting the same hills for 40 yrs, my observation is there are way to many large 2pts. Like the other post stated when the doe was fathered by a 2pt and that buck was fathered by a 2pt and so on seems to me you'll have an abundance of 2pts. Which having just been there we do.... just like if a blonde has a brown haired baby then that baby marries a brown haired person and so does that eventually the brown haired child becomes the dominant gene..and a couple generations in deer is not very long compared to humans. So to the op I hope you take me up on the offer. The hill had deer on it so I'd imagine there'll be other bucks come in come November

I will 2nd and 3rd how dry it was, luckily it rained steady until around the 4th of july. Or we may have seen another large fire sweep thru the area. Best of luck to you come November

[bobcat]

What does it hurt to have a few 2 point mule deer bucks in a population? I've never understood why that is a bad thing.

[MeepDog]

EMac we can agree to disagree. Been hunting the same hills for 40 yrs, my observation is there are way to many large 2pts. Like the other post stated when the doe was fathered by a 2pt and that buck was fathered by a 2pt and so on seems to me you'll have an abundance of 2pts. Which having just been there we do.... just like if a blonde has a brown haired baby then that baby marries a brown haired person and so does that eventually the brown haired child becomes the dominant gene..and a couple generations in deer is not very long compared to humans. So to the op I hope you take me up on the offer. The hill had deer on it so I'd imagine there'll be other bucks come in come November

I will 2nd and 3rd how dry it was, luckily it rained steady until around the 4th of july. Or we may have seen another large fire sweep thru the area. Best of luck to you come November

Eye color genetics has to do with alleles. A person with dark brown eyes (BB) has a partner with blue eyes (bb) and every child will have light brown/hazel eyes (Bb). If one parent has hazel eyes (Bb) and the other has blue eyes (bb) it's 50:50 blue or hazel. Both my parents have light brown eyes (Bb) yet I came out with blue eyes(bb). I don't know how green eyes work though...

As far as deer antler shape it must be far more complicated. Age, nutrition, fetal development, and genetics all play a part in antler growth. So the whole whos your daddy seems oversimplifying. 

[baker5150]

EMac we can agree to disagree. Been hunting the same hills for 40 yrs, my observation is there are way to many large 2pts. Like the other post stated when the doe was fathered by a 2pt and that buck was fathered by a 2pt and so on seems to me you'll have an abundance of 2pts. Which having just been there we do.... just like if a blonde has a brown haired baby then that baby marries a brown haired person and so does that eventually the brown haired child becomes the dominant gene..and a couple generations in deer is not very long compared to humans. So to the op I hope you take me up on the offer. The hill had deer on it so I'd imagine there'll be other bucks come in come November

I will 2nd and 3rd how dry it was, luckily it rained steady until around the 4th of july. Or we may have seen another large fire sweep thru the area. Best of luck to you come November

Eye color genetics has to do with alleles. A person with dark brown eyes (BB) has a partner with blue eyes (bb) and every child will have light brown/hazel eyes (Bb). If one parent has hazel eyes (Bb) and the other has blue eyes (bb) it's 50:50 blue or hazel. Both my parents have light brown eyes (Bb) yet I came out with blue eyes(bb). I don't know how green eyes work though...

As far as deer antler shape it must be far more complicated. Age, nutrition, fetal development, and genetics all play a part in antler growth. So the whole whos your daddy seems oversimplifying. 

Jim Heffelfinger (sp) dives into this on one of the MEatEater podcasts.

IIRC antler traits had more to do with the Doe's health during pregnancy than any other factor.

[vandeman17]

EMac we can agree to disagree. Been hunting the same hills for 40 yrs, my observation is there are way to many large 2pts. Like the other post stated when the doe was fathered by a 2pt and that buck was fathered by a 2pt and so on seems to me you'll have an abundance of 2pts. Which having just been there we do.... just like if a blonde has a brown haired baby then that baby marries a brown haired person and so does that eventually the brown haired child becomes the dominant gene..and a couple generations in deer is not very long compared to humans. So to the op I hope you take me up on the offer. The hill had deer on it so I'd imagine there'll be other bucks come in come November

I will 2nd and 3rd how dry it was, luckily it rained steady until around the 4th of july. Or we may have seen another large fire sweep thru the area. Best of luck to you come November

Eye color genetics has to do with alleles. A person with dark brown eyes (BB) has a partner with blue eyes (bb) and every child will have light brown/hazel eyes (Bb). If one parent has hazel eyes (Bb) and the other has blue eyes (bb) it's 50:50 blue or hazel. Both my parents have light brown eyes (Bb) yet I came out with blue eyes(bb). I don't know how green eyes work though...

As far as deer antler shape it must be far more complicated. Age, nutrition, fetal development, and genetics all play a part in antler growth. So the whole whos your daddy seems oversimplifying. 

Jim Heffelfinger (sp) dives into this on one of the MEatEater podcasts.

IIRC antler traits had more to do with the Doe's health during pregnancy than any other factor.

 

I recently bought property and a cabin in the unit. My cameras are showing a healthy amount of does, fawns, young bucks and some decent bucks which is a good sign. My goal is to try and hammer as many predators up there as I can as well.

[hunt4]

sounds

sounds like you answered your question for yourself.  Go spend time and gas, you got out all figured out!

Well I at least got you figured out.
 
I avoided the modern season , but managed to make it over several times.  Looked at ton of country.  All I can say is it's a crap shoot for a large mule deer.  I appreciate the positive input. I will head over Thursday for the remainder of the season. 

[The scout]

Good luck on the hunt, the mule deer are definitely in there little areas not spread throughout the unit like the white tails. I have spent a ton of time up there, my mom lives up Tunk valley. That whole area is almost all private but there are some huge bucks around. I would say once you find some mule deer hunt that area hard, the grass is t always greener they can be hard to find up there.

[MtnMuley]

the mule deer are definitely in there little areas not spread throughout the unit like the white tails.

Tell me an area in 204 that there aren't mule deer.

[nwwanderer]

With over 600,000 acres bring extra gas money and maybe tire chains and all the gear to go with them, good luck!

[hunt4]

Chainsaw, Winch,chains, come along and a Rubicon! I might need to start a gofund me for gas