STOP KILLING THE BABY MAKERS

[rainshadow1]

We (collectively, as Washington sportsmen/women) need to invest the time and money it takes to kill predators.

Plan a trip or two!

I think (and have taken advantage of) the youth antlerless options in high population areas is a positive thing, but not perpetually if the population isn't stable with it. It's pretty simple logic.

But we do need to make the effort to get out and kill sharp teeth!  That's why I got into calling Cougars in the first place, when the dogs went away. The number of ungulates they kill - annually, per animal - is mind-boggling.

[pickardjw]

We (collectively, as Washington sportsmen/women) need to invest the time and money it takes to kill predators.

Plan a trip or two!

I think (and have taken advantage of) the youth antlerless options in high population areas is a positive thing, but not perpetually if the population isn't stable with it. It's pretty simple logic.

But we do need to make the effort to get out and kill sharp teeth!  That's why I got into calling Cougars in the first place, when the dogs went away. The number of ungulates they kill - annually, per animal - is mind-boggling.

Got my ICOtec in this week. Four weekends left to fill a bear tag or two and I'll definitely be out giving cats a try this winter!

[jeffro]

Last time I checked,
It takes two to tango
Just saying….
Don’t take the bucks either

[tinsleystyle]

Conservative estimates put the number of Auto-Deer collisions at a minimum of 4,000 annually in Washington state, guess we should all hang up our keys to protect the baby makers.
This thread is ridiculous.

[highside74]

Last time I checked,
It takes two to tango
Just saying….
Don’t take the bucks either

1 healthy buck can breed 7-10 does per season.

Not the same thing at all.

[highside74]

Conservative estimates put the number of Auto-Deer collisions at a minimum of 4,000 annually in Washington state, guess we should all hang up our keys to protect the baby makers.
This thread is ridiculous.

That makes no sense at all. Accidents happen. Going out and harvesting does when the population is struggling is a conscious decision.

[LDennis24]

The threat of not posting pics on here sorta reminds me of the threat to stop social security, or to ban sports in school. 
Like you said you do you.   

My point is to bring awareness to a problem versus sitting back and watching it completely implode.  Folks are entitled to sit back in the land of unicorns and rainbows, but it isn’t sustainable if something isn’t done.

For those of you putting blind faith into the WDFW, good for you. They must be doing something right, because it’s obvious we are living the glory days right now.   

The harvesting of antlerless is a tool in wildlife management but just like trying to use a 1/2 wrench to hammer in a railroad spike.   If the tool isn’t the right tool for the current job….

 
We need to fire all the tools working for WDFW! I've helped them with research and population studies before. They're a bunch of morons. I have never shot a doe and don't agree with shooting does. You can have one buck and a dozen does and increase a population. You can't have one doe and a dozen bucks and expect to see progress. Go to the store and buy $150 in cheap steaks and you will be ahead. I have to agree with Bone on this. I went four years as a youth hunting before shooting my first buck. I refused to shoot a doe for the same reason Bone speaks of in this thread. It's crazy how fast people will turn on you for posting something like this. 

[ellensburgpo]

Didn’t read the whole thread Bone but I agree. I’ve eaten a second deer tag a few times because it was just wrong to fill it with how the herd was doing where I was hunting. Not to digress but it’s more of the government handing us the rope, we hang ourself and then blame only them. There’s hard human population, habitat and size issues at play in this that would require some real hard decisions to get past.

[NRA4LIFE]

I'm not trying to be combative here.  There's no way to know exact numbers, but when you add up car kills, poaching, natives (legal or not), all predators, the legally killed number of does by hunters is probably 1% or less of the total.  I'd be shocked if it's more.  Would eliminating all doe permits make a difference?  Most likely not.  The only doe I ever killed in this state was with my truck.

[jrebel]

Pretty sure putting in for a draw, with the sole intent of stopping others hunters from hunting that draw....is what the anti hunting, bunny hugger, liberal, left wing nuts do.  To me this is nothing more than an intentional act that puts you in the same boat as any anti hunting wing nut out there.  Prove me wrong with your twisted logic.  You don't have to agree like the fact that these doe tags exist, but you should respect that fact that other hunters appreciate the opportunity.  Buying a tag to impose your thoughts and will on others for the sole purpose of taking opportunity away is wrong.  One could argue an act of domestic terrorism....or hunter harassment....which is also illegal. 

And go.....

[Casey]

Personally I think blacktail should be 2 point min but youth and 65 and older should be any buck. There’s to many spikes getting killed a year and people complain about quality of bucks. I can’t speak for mule deer but where I hunt there seems to be plenty of does. I won’t shoot a doe unless my freezer is EMPTY. I hunt for meat but at the same time try to kill a mature deer. Just doesn’t always go as planned. People say “don’t shoot on the last day what you won’t shoot on the first day” and I don’t agree. You can hunt mature deer but when it gets down to the last few days and that freezers empty I’d take a solid legal deer. I still won’t shoot a yearling because there’s not much meat. But a solid doe steps out on the last day. You can bet I’m slinging a arrow at her. I’ve only shot 2 does and I’ve hunted since I was 9 and this is my 14TH year hunting. I’ve also archery deer hunted since I was 9. Have hunted multi deer 3 years.


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[huntnfmly]

Pretty sure putting in for a draw, with the sole intent of stopping others hunters from hunting that draw....is what the anti hunting, bunny hugger, liberal, left wing nuts do.  To me this is nothing more than an intentional act that puts you in the same boat as any anti hunting wing nut out there.  Prove me wrong with your twisted logic.  You don't have to agree like the fact that these doe tags exist, but you should respect that fact that other hunters appreciate the opportunity.  Buying a tag to impose your thoughts and will on others for the sole purpose of taking opportunity away is wrong.  One could argue an act of domestic terrorism....or hunter harassment....which is also illegal. 

And go.....

I completely agree with this
If are not going to use your second deer tag because you won’t shoot a doe then don’t put in for it leave it for someone who will
And to those of you who are reading this thinking you won’t post a story or pic of a deer that you are rightfully excited about because it’s a doe please do
There are more people like myself in here that enjoy those type of stories and pics than there are that think it’s wrong to

[Buzzsaw461]

I was raised in a household ( thank you Idabooner) that applied for doe tags every year and then ceremoniously ripped them up.   We also ate plenty of venison. 
I continued that tradition for sometime.   I finally decided  to stop only because I was giving money to the worser evil or contributing to the cause.

Yep, that’s why I don’t do it

[jason stevens]

All deer should be 4 point min if we want good quality hunting an no anterless for 10 years. I love the doe meat too lol. But can you imagine what the hunting would be like in even as little as 5 years if we went 4 point minimum. An for God sake get your buts out there an harvest coyotes ,bear an cats. Do your predator control.just my opinion.

[NOCK NOCK]

Last time I checked,
It takes two to tango
Just saying….
Don’t take the bucks either

1 healthy buck can breed 7-10 does per season.

Not the same thing at all.

NOT taking a stance on this subject. What if there is not that 1 healthy buck in a certain area?  Then there are 7-10 barren does.