WDFW Commission Meeting 11/18 for Spring Bear Policy

[Farmer72]

I normally don't bear hunt but after this I will will be actively looking to fill 2 tags. So guess I need to hook up with people to shoot some bears!

[outdooraddict]

absolutely pathetic representation of wildlife and decision making based off a bunch of anti idiots.  i hope karma comes full swing and they recreate in the spring and get eaten by a bear

[outdooraddict]

I normally don't bear hunt but after this I will will be actively looking to fill 2 tags. So guess I need to hook up with people to shoot some bears!

as will I, and rowland is going to get a picture of it mailed to her office

[dreamingbig]

What the heck is “new science”?

Concerned about overall black bear populations?  They should be concerned about ungulate populations.

Voting on ethical reasons?  Is that the new science?

The 5 yes votes are not unbiased.  They can’t possibly make decisions based solely on data.


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[outdooraddict]

What the heck is “new science”?

Concerned about overall black bear populations?  They should be concerned about ungulate populations.

Voting on ethical reasons?  Is that the new science?

The 5 yes votes are not unbiased.  They can’t possibly make decisions based solely on data.


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their data is strictly "their opinion" that's what's wrong with the entire thing. the stat they provided was 150 bears are killed in the spring.  now if you think 150 bears in the spring even dents the population, then your part of the problem.  their data numbers dont even support their decision, its absolutely crazy how they think and argue.  i cant believe kelly doesn't find a couple of them in a dark alley after the meeting.

[GOcougsHunter]

Still have no idea what the difference is between management hunting and recreational hunting.  What a cluster!  are the cougar quotas by PMU considered management hunting?  Their simplistic ideas (as Susewind pointed out) can't be implemented in the real world because of this "word-salad." 

[hunter399]

Not gonna say I told ya all.
Ya that Commission sucks.
I haven't watch it,not sure I want too.

[Special T]

As Comissioner McIssac said they placed the bar so high that cougars Blacktail and other species couldn't  be hunted using the logic for this decision. It may have been on purpose

[Tbar]

As Comissioner McIssac said they placed the bar so high that cougars Blacktail and other species couldn't  be hunted using the logic for this decision. It may have been on purpose

Add in mule deer, some elk herds,  goats, crab, clams, multiple fish stocks, whitetail deer, and just about every other harvested species.  Ragan is severely disconnected from real world management.  He's lived the mmpa and actually been critical of it and suggested multiple fisheries should close.  On another note DEI should really take a close look at this commission.

[high_hunter]

As Comissioner McIssac said they placed the bar so high that cougars Blacktail and other species couldn't  be hunted using the logic for this decision. It may have been on purpose

Add in mule deer, some elk herds,  goats, crab, clams, multiple fish stocks, whitetail deer, and just about every other harvested species.  Ragan is severely disconnected from real world management.  He's lived the mmpa and actually been critical of it and suggested multiple fisheries should close.  On another note DEI should really take a close look at this commission.

Special T: Yes I think that was his last-ditch effort to call their bluff about requests for "more" and "new science".  The only card he had to get them to drop the existing motion so he could propose his amended motion with some hunting opportunities and actual direction for WDFW to execute on.

Tbar: What, too many white educated old folks and Karren's on here for ya?  haha.  It's definitely not the most diverse committee, but what concerns me the most is the influence of non-hunting and anti-hunting groups through these governor-appointed commissioners who now have the majority.  I thought Lehmkuhl could be a swing vote (as others have mentioned) but not after this showing.

Super frustrating meeting all the way through but not even the worst based on what I've watched in the past.  Was very disappointed they called up Melanie to Zoom in only when they needed her swing vote.  She's either fine and able to participate from the beginning or should be excluded from the meeting once past roll call.  Also BS that they went back to re-vote after the initial 4-4 tie without her on item #2.  Then even more frustrating when they allowed her to re-vote on item #3 when she'd stated Yea and moved on but "give her a break because she's been sick".   I think she's worse than Smith.....so many things she stated were incorrect and driven purely off the emotion that she was portraying as fact such as no other animals being hunted in the spring....glad McIsaac caller her BS on that.

Anyways, yes I think Kelly is a saint and it's going to be rough when he leaves.  We should start a petition to be refunded any $ tied up in any black bear permit points since they've removed the opportunity.  Or hopefully the department still offers them since it is not a "recreational" general season tag but rather a damage/conflict reduction incentive tag.  It's crazy the Anti's can't see the difference between this and an elk deprivation permit.  Also very concerning they'd rather knowingly have APHIS come in when the meat is going to be wasted.   

[Tbar]

As Comissioner McIssac said they placed the bar so high that cougars Blacktail and other species couldn't  be hunted using the logic for this decision. It may have been on purpose

Add in mule deer, some elk herds,  goats, crab, clams, multiple fish stocks, whitetail deer, and just about every other harvested species.  Ragan is severely disconnected from real world management.  He's lived the mmpa and actually been critical of it and suggested multiple fisheries should close.  On another note DEI should really take a close look at this commission.

Special T: Yes I think that was his last-ditch effort to call their bluff about requests for "more" and "new science".  The only card he had to get them to drop the existing motion so he could propose his amended motion with some hunting opportunities and actual direction for WDFW to execute on.

Tbar: What, too many white educated old folks and Karren's on here for ya?  haha.  It's definitely not the most diverse committee, but what concerns me the most is the influence of non-hunting and anti-hunting groups through these governor-appointed commissioners who now have the majority.  I thought Lehmkuhl could be a swing vote (as others have mentioned) but not after this showing.

Super frustrating meeting all the way through but not even the worst based on what I've watched in the past.  Was very disappointed they called up Melanie to Zoom in only when they needed her swing vote.  She's either fine and able to participate from the beginning or should be excluded from the meeting once past roll call.  Also BS that they went back to re-vote after the initial 4-4 tie without her on item #2.  Then even more frustrating when they allowed her to re-vote on item #3 when she'd stated Yea and moved on but "give her a break because she's been sick".   I think she's worse than Smith.....so many things she stated were incorrect and driven purely off the emotion that she was portraying as fact such as no other animals being hunted in the spring....glad McIsaac caller her BS on that.

Anyways, yes I think Kelly is a saint and it's going to be rough when he leaves.  We should start a petition to be refunded any $ tied up in any black bear permit points since they've removed the opportunity.  Or hopefully the department still offers them since it is not a "recreational" general season tag but rather a damage/conflict reduction incentive tag.  It's crazy the Anti's can't see the difference between this and an elk deprivation permit.  Also very concerning they'd rather knowingly have APHIS come in when the meat is going to be wasted.   

Far deeper than those metrics but you're on the right track. It's a poor representation of the state while claiming the opposite. It may get worse as well.

[Ridgeratt]

I wonder what the next game species Rowland is going to try and save? 

[X-Force]

I wonder what the next game species Rowland is going to try and save? 

They aren’t done with bear yet.

[Timberstalker]

I’d be surprised if there was a 2023 fall bear season.

[hunter399]

I’d be surprised if there was a 2023 fall bear season.

Well it is recreational,probably not then. 😆
I did just spend the last two hours skimming the meeting.
So ....
No 2023 hunt
No recreational spring bear hunt period.
It's kinda funny that the spring bear hunt has always been a management hunt.
It only turned into a recreation/sport hunt when the anti-hunters says it is.
Isn't all hunting recreational.
Down the rabbit hole we go!