No spring black bear in Washington- ever again

[Stein]

Biden's agenda is dead, he won't get any big priorities through congress for the rest of his term.  Anyone telling you to worry about something is likely trying to scare you into sending them money to "fight for you."

[hunter399]

Between King, pierce and Snohomish she got 511000 votes that’s nearly half of all her votes from western Washington. That’s a lot of conservative minded people. Where she lost the election was King County. She lost the vote 3 to 1.

https://results.vote.wa.gov/results/20221108/us-senator_bycounty.html

As far as gun rights go Biden doesn’t control the house, how’s he going to pass gun control? Did you forget as well that the supreme Court is conservative as well?

He'll do it with bi- partisan support.
We needed house and Senate.
The mass shooting,blah,blah,blah.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/11/24/biden-says-hell-renew-push-for-assault-weapons-ban.html

[deerlick]

Just go spring bear hunting. Not like there is any punishment for committing crimes in this state anymore.

[Stein]

Between King, pierce and Snohomish she got 511000 votes that’s nearly half of all her votes from western Washington. That’s a lot of conservative minded people. Where she lost the election was King County. She lost the vote 3 to 1.

https://results.vote.wa.gov/results/20221108/us-senator_bycounty.html

As far as gun rights go Biden doesn’t control the house, how’s he going to pass gun control? Did you forget as well that the supreme Court is conservative as well?

He'll do it with bi- partisan support.
We needed house and Senate.
The mass shooting,blah,blah,blah.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/11/24/biden-says-hell-renew-push-for-assault-weapons-ban.html

In that argument you shouldn't vote for Republicans either.  If it's bi-partisan, he could do it no matter who controls either chamber.  Gun control (his version anyway) isn't a bi-partisan issue.

[hunter399]

Between King, pierce and Snohomish she got 511000 votes that’s nearly half of all her votes from western Washington. That’s a lot of conservative minded people. Where she lost the election was King County. She lost the vote 3 to 1.

https://results.vote.wa.gov/results/20221108/us-senator_bycounty.html

As far as gun rights go Biden doesn’t control the house, how’s he going to pass gun control? Did you forget as well that the supreme Court is conservative as well?

He'll do it with bi- partisan support.
We needed house and Senate.
The mass shooting,blah,blah,blah.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/11/24/biden-says-hell-renew-push-for-assault-weapons-ban.html

In that argument you shouldn't vote for Republicans either.  If it's bi-partisan, he could do it no matter who controls either chamber.  Gun control (his version anyway) isn't a bi-partisan issue.

Doesn't democrats control the Senate.
That's the same argument you just gave me about the house.
Better Republican control both.
Washington droped the ball.
Just admit it ,you know which county's.

[JimmyHoffa]

He has the house until January.

[Special T]

Those of you thinking that changing the Govenor is the only solution are WRONG! It is my preferred solution for a bevy of reasons. That said it is not part of what we can do now. If it is your only perceived solution then you had better get active in your party now.

Here are 2 options outside of the Govenor.
1 legislation
The process of nominations and conversations can be changed. This could be
Taken away from the Govenor, or reduce the strangle hold it has  on the process. This would likely have broad support from fishermen, tribes and sportsmen.
2 change the leadership of the State Senate.
The Natural Resource Committee is Run by Kevin Van Sewage a Democrat from the N oly pen and won his last race 65 to 35%. He isn't going anywhere. We missed our chance this election but we have another chance in 2 years..
How many of you donated time or money to state Senate seats near you?  Simon Sefzik in Whatcom County lost by less than 1% about 800 votes! Did anyone do anything beyond looking at the Hunters Heritage Council recomendations? If you didn't that should change next election.

[Humptulips]

Hunters cannot muster the votes to elect pro-hunting candidates, but we could have an outsized influence. Candidates need money for an effective campaign, and we could not only help pro-hunting candidates but make other candidates fear pushing these ant-hunting policies and appointments.
We have the HHC PAC. If every hunter was to contribute, we would have a formidable war chest and politicians would not only fear crossing us but would be courting us.
How many hunters pay $300+ for access fees to hunt or gas to drive out of State. If everyone kicked into the PAC as much as they spend to secure their hunting for one year, we could save the future of hunting. Do yourself a favor and budget some money for hunting. https://huntersheritagecouncil.org/hhc-pac.html

[hughjorgan]

Between King, pierce and Snohomish she got 511000 votes that’s nearly half of all her votes from western Washington. That’s a lot of conservative minded people. Where she lost the election was King County. She lost the vote 3 to 1.

https://results.vote.wa.gov/results/20221108/us-senator_bycounty.html

As far as gun rights go Biden doesn’t control the house, how’s he going to pass gun control? Did you forget as well that the supreme Court is conservative as well?

He'll do it with bi- partisan support.
We needed house and Senate.
The mass shooting,blah,blah,blah.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/11/24/biden-says-hell-renew-push-for-assault-weapons-ban.html

In that argument you shouldn't vote for Republicans either.  If it's bi-partisan, he could do it no matter who controls either chamber.  Gun control (his version anyway) isn't a bi-partisan issue.

Doesn't democrats control the Senate.
That's the same argument you just gave me about the house.
Better Republican control both.
Washington droped the ball.
Just admit it ,you know which county's.

Both the democrats and republicans are crap, they don’t give a crap about the middle class. They’re all looking out for THEMSELVES!

As far as this state and elections KING county is where you win or lose. Don’t disparage the population centers if you need their votes to win. Like I pointed out to you earlier there are more conservatives in the population centers of the state than in all the eastside counties. Not everyone is liberal west of the mountains. Republicans need to find away to win the moderates in King County.

This country will be far better off with a do nothing divided congress as well, less of a chance of any of us getting screwed by DC.

[Blacktail Sniper]

If you really want to get the attention of those concerned, start making public information requests for copies of reports, notes from meeting, emails, text messages, memos, policy directives, etc. from each Commission member, and whomever the WDFW contact person is they report to or get reported from. 

You can even do one for Inslee and any information emails, memos, etc regarding spring bear, cougar hunting or any other hunting related topics. 

This will get their attention, I assure you.

But what would be best is if multiple people submitted requests for the same information.  Legally they cannot ignore any request without danger of having to pay out money to the requester for not complying with the law. 

If several dozen different people start asking for the same stuff, it is going to raise someone's blood pressure...a lot!

If you want to make a wheel squeak and not have it brushed aside, this is the way to go!

Yes, it will cost a little bit, but the fees for copying stuff and mailing (or pick it up in person if you like) is small, usually a few cents per page for photocopies and postage.


Just to let you know I am speaking from experience, I just went through this with a department of Thurston Co. 

Started a Junk Vehicle inspection request in July, their website says up to a couple months to complete the process.  Called in Sept just to simply see where I was in the process, first voicemail was ignored, second call was a bit more serious sounding and that one was returned and got the inspector to actually come out and look at the vehicles, then nothing further. 

Another voicemail message in Oct was ignored, so Early Nov, I submitted a Public Information Request for the status of my Junk Vehicle Inspection request.  In about 3 days I had a call from the inspector and about a week later my paperwork arrived in the mail. 

Had I not used the Public Information Request Law, I would most likely still not have my paperwork. 

So, in short, one person making one request was able to force them to do their job, imagine the attention it will generate amongst WDFW and the Commission if 2 or 3 dozen requests come in asking for the same information...

Also by making requests for the same information, they must send the exact same information to each requester or they will be in violation of the law. 


SQUEAK....SQUEAK....SQUEAK....

[hunter399]

If you really want to get the attention of those concerned, start making public information requests for copies of reports, notes from meeting, emails, text messages, memos, policy directives, etc. from each Commission member, and whomever the WDFW contact person is they report to or get reported from. 

You can even do one for Inslee and any information emails, memos, etc regarding spring bear, cougar hunting or any other hunting related topics. 

This will get their attention, I assure you.

But what would be best is if multiple people submitted requests for the same information.  Legally they cannot ignore any request without danger of having to pay out money to the requester for not complying with the law. 

If several dozen different people start asking for the same stuff, it is going to raise someone's blood pressure...a lot!

If you want to make a wheel squeak and not have it brushed aside, this is the way to go!

Yes, it will cost a little bit, but the fees for copying stuff and mailing (or pick it up in person if you like) is small, usually a few cents per page for photocopies and postage.


Just to let you know I am speaking from experience, I just went through this with a department of Thurston Co. 

Started a Junk Vehicle inspection request in July, their website says up to a couple months to complete the process.  Called in Sept just to simply see where I was in the process, first voicemail was ignored, second call was a bit more serious sounding and that one was returned and got the inspector to actually come out and look at the vehicles, then nothing further. 

Another voicemail message in Oct was ignored, so Early Nov, I submitted a Public Information Request for the status of my Junk Vehicle Inspection request.  In about 3 days I had a call from the inspector and about a week later my paperwork arrived in the mail. 

Had I not used the Public Information Request Law, I would most likely still not have my paperwork. 

So, in short, one person making one request was able to force them to do their job, imagine the attention it will generate amongst WDFW and the Commission if 2 or 3 dozen requests come in asking for the same information...

Also by making requests for the same information, they must send the exact same information to each requester or they will be in violation of the law. 


SQUEAK....SQUEAK....SQUEAK....

I just wanna see Commission members emails for the past two years.
You know there is some dirt in there.

[Blacktail Sniper]

Well then, here ya go:

https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/administration/public-records

If folks really want to try and make an impact, lets take a minute and do a little organizing.

We can write up a request that each person can copy and submit to each Commissioner so we can be sure we are getting the proper response.

By unifying the request and asking for exactly the same, it forces each Commissioner to fully disclose all the requested info and not hold back something, because if someone else provides it, it puts that Commissioner that doesn't in violation of the law for withholding the information.   

This is great, low cost tool available to us that cannot be ignored. 

We can put together a comprehensive, same worded series of requests covering the topics that we want answers to for each person to submit, it cannot just be ignored. 

Folks always say, take a page out of the anti's playbook, well here go, here is a chance to do just that without the cost of attorneys or lawsuits...

[Blacktail Sniper]

To help start off, a request should be made to each individual Commission member, the Governor or whoever else that would be part of the process (I am sure someone here knows the proper "food chain" of how the Commission operates and who in the Department is connected.

Lets do some tweaking on this list and put together a solid list of things before making our requests.

The more specific the request better.

In the body of the request, at a minimum, each one of us needs to ask for the following:

In regards to Spring Bear hunting season all of the following:

Emails
Meeting notes,
Meeting minutes,
Phone messages,
Text messages,
Memos
Directives,
Policies,
Number of damage control permits issued to individuals and timber companies outside of the previous established and now cancelled Spring Damage hunts,
Number of reported kills by above listed individuals and timber companies from hunts outside the previous and now cancelled Spring Damage hunts, 

And anything else related to Spring Bear hunting that we can come up with.


 

[highcountry_hunter]

To help start off, a request should be made to each individual Commission member, the Governor or whoever else that would be part of the process (I am sure someone here knows the proper "food chain" of how the Commission operates and who in the Department is connected.

Lets do some tweaking on this list and put together a solid list of things before making our requests.

The more specific the request better.

In the body of the request, at a minimum, each one of us needs to ask for the following:

In regards to Spring Bear hunting season all of the following:

Emails
Meeting notes,
Meeting minutes,
Phone messages,
Text messages,
Memos
Directives,
Policies,
Number of damage control permits issued to individuals and timber companies outside of the previous established and now cancelled Spring Damage hunts,
Number of reported kills by above listed individuals and timber companies from hunts outside the previous and now cancelled Spring Damage hunts, 

And anything else related to Spring Bear hunting that we can come up with.

I think you are really onto something here…this is something every single sportsman can do. Yes, our votes in elections absolutely matter, and yes as a group we need to do a better job, but at the end of the day there are more voters in King county that blindly vote for whichever candidate has a (D) next to their name than there are hunters in this state.
Even if you don’t have the time to read through all of the emails, meeting minutes and text messages, for a few bucks you can let them know that we are serious about these issues.
I would imagine that if a couple hundred public information requests on the topic showed up within a weeks time, they would know that we are not taking their anti-hunting decisions lightly.
Thank you for bringing this to our attention, hopefully some other members can help us get the chain of command figured out and we can get the ball rolling on exactly whom we need to be requesting information from.


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[Blacktail Sniper]

Best thing that it does is it requires transparency and honesty from both the Department and the individual Commissioners and failing to be or do so, results in monetary penalties, the greatest motivator out there.